Why not call for a full Russian withdrawl instead? Why should the defenders of their homeland be the ones to surrender?
The fact that a former Superpower was not able to roll Ukraine in the first 10 days, 100 days, what is it now? 745 days… yeah. It’s time for Russia to get out.
I think that’s not how war works.
Usually, the winning side doesn’t leave when they’re winning.
It’s up to the losing side to surrender.
Things would be different if Ukraine had a chance at winning, but that’s not likely to happen.
Edit: I just want you all to think about how you feel now and compare it to when Ukraine loses. Do you remember when Ukraine’s counteroffensive was starting? How confident you were that they could win?
This is what I mean by you people being victims of propaganda without even realizing. Average just keeps getting lower as time goes on.
People said Ukraine would be flattened in a month like… Two years ago now. If you think Ukraine doesn’t have a chance of winning, you’re not paying the slightest amount of attention.
If Russia could win, they’d have done it by now. This is Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia.
Either that or they like shilling for papa Putin or something. Who knows.
This is way, way worse than Afghanistan. They lost 20k troops in Afghanistan, and a small fraction of the equipment they’ve lost in Ukraine. How many A-50s and flagships did they lose back then? They’re getting literally decimated or worse when you look at lost troops, jets, armor, and ships.
Afghanistan helped destabilize the USSR. Hopefully Ukraine destabilizes Russians current Mafia government and gives the Russians another shot at democracy.
Everyone expected Ukraine to be steamrolled virtually instantly.
Instead they have held on for 745 days, killed innumerable Russians and destroyed god knows how many tanks, planes, and ships.
You can never under-estimate the will of people fighting for their home country.
You my friend have been propagandised yourself ukraine without funding will lose. Ukraine with funding will win. Russia is doing eveeything in its power to stop funding. The narative that ukraine has already won/lost is russian propaganda to stop funding.
Grow up learn how a friggin war works and stop being a shill for russian propaganda.
Ukraine with funding will win.
Just like with their counteroffensive?
At what point do you people admit you were wrong about something?
They went for a significant push to try get behind the lines it didnt work cos funding was delayed and they didnt have the reasources earlyer (at that point they where still missing many of the resources they have now). They switched tacktics after that point its called adaptation tends to be needed in war its russias akillies heel. Then with the new stratedgy they where making significant ground on the offensive far greater than what russia has been latly ukrain also managed this with a truly impressive kd ratio.
I know im not wrong ive looked at the map ive plotted respurces on a graph russias resources have a y intercept as long as ukraine is being funded they do not thus they can sustain the war for longer.
You my friend are clearly a russian shill even if ukraine is gonna lose its still a more efficient way to fight them than doing it ourselves they will fuck with nato that will cost the western world deerly instead we give ukraine old shit they fight for us and save shitonnes of money since that must be all u care about cos human life clearly doesnt matter to u.
At what point do you people admit you were wrong about something?
I guess not today…
Either give me a counter to my points.
Admit that you were wrong about something.
Or shut the fuck up and admit you have no clue what your talking about.
Pick one!!!
Snarky comments is simply u deflecting from your incapability to engage with someone in a civil discussion about a topic you clearly feel very strongly about.
How do you figure ukraine won’t win?
It’s crazy people like you think you have a point with comments like these.
Just another reason why I don’t take the masses seriously at this point.
Because if you did take other people seriously you’d have to admit you’re wrong?
Well fuck russia 2x, then.
You need to see a doctor to get your humanity checked. It seems not to be working.
Oh brother. 🙄
Americans… ☕
Yep.
Russia isn’t winning. Ukraine isn’t losing.
Right now, it’s a stalemate. The longer it goes on, the more likely Ukraine will lose. Russia has more people, and Ukraine can’t strike deep into Russia.
What surprised me was that Russia seemed to have solved its ammunition problem. It would appear Russia is out-producing the West in artillery rounds.
I am pro-Ukrainian, but I don’t want Americans on the ground in Ukraine. They must fight their own battle, but I support sending weapons. I wish we had some more weapons earlier before the Russians could entrench like they did. That is why the counter-offensive failed.
Russia will lose if its people get tired of this war. At some point, mothers will not want to send their children to die in a war they didn’t want. People like to paint Russians as monsters, but most Russian people are decent people. Their government has fed them lies, and they thought they were the good guys. Most of the kids fighting over there think they are removing Nazis. Most of them are drafted and most likely don’t even want to be there.
One thing that drives me nuts is how people think everything is so black and white. The world is very grey. Good kids on both sides are dying because Putin wants Ukraine.
If you have never read or watched All is Quiet on the Western Front, I think it accurately describes what is happening.
People keep saying that the longer it goes on the more it favors Russia, but the Kremlin is the one with questionable support and disarray. Ukrainians are united, they want to defend themselves. Morale is in Ukraine’s side.
Also, France is putting together a coalition to send troops. Who’s going to go back the Kremlin up? Nobody… they have no friends, no good will, just rough agreements with other authoritarian governments.
It is a numbers game. Russia has more cannon fodder. The Russians didn’t defeat germany by being better, they defeated Germany by throwing more people at the problem.
Who will back Russia? North Korea, Iran, and possibly China.
If we are distracted in Ukraine, North Korea can invade South Korea, Iran can stir the pot, and China will take Taiwan. All places where we have treaties to prevent just that from happening. Our military is not designed to fight on that many fronts at once.
Just because Russia has a larger population doesn’t mean they can use it how they want. Ukrainians want to fight and defend their home and families, there’s nothing like that in the Russian military.
The US could commit some forces to Ukraine without weakening their ability to defend Taiwan.
I agree that’s the big picture though. Those authoritarian governments, with some support from BRICS and other dictatorships like Venezuela, are challenging the US-Euro hegemony.
They’ve been doing it for years how they want. Putin doesn’t like when people disagree. I’ve never seen so many people accidentally fall out of windows.
Until you see units refusing to go to war, my point stands.
There have been many people refusing to fight for the Kremlin. They have a blocking line that kills their soldiers if they turn around… that’s their level or morale.
NK invading SK would be roundly crushed in an afternoon by the carrier group posted there SPECIFICALLY to prevent that from happening, not to mention SK forces themselves.
Taiwan is in the middle of building up their forces again, we have forces in the region ready and able to assist (posted there, again, specifically to deter Chinese aggression), and we have ally forces across southeast Asia, including Vietnam, New Zealand, and Australia, who are willing and able to come help if needed.
Iran? Seriously? They’re still having trouble keeping a lid on their own populace last I checked. And if they “stir the pot” by aiding Palestine or Yemen…well, Israel has been looking for a good reason to simply wipe Iran from the map for the last several decades.
NK invading SK would be roundly crushed in an afternoon by the carrier group posted there SPECIFICALLY to prevent that from happening, not to mention SK forces themselves.
I would like to see which military war game has ever shown that. I have never seen that at all. Can you please show the citation for that since it contradicts everything I have ever read on the topic.
aiwan is in the middle of building up their forces again, we have forces in the region ready and able to assist (posted there, again, specifically to deter Chinese aggression), and we have ally forces across southeast Asia, including Vietnam, New Zealand, and Australia, who are willing and able to come help if needed.
We do not have a force large enough to fight China in the region while we are tied up in Ukraine. Vietnam is not going to war with China. New Zealand and Australia do not have a capable enough force to add much value. That is why they are asking the United States to build bases.
Pope is really out of touch on this.
That’s the polite way of putting it.
Pretty sure anyone with half a brain and not straight up owned by Putin realizes that surrender is not an option- it just lets them regroup for another push in 5-10 years.
So. The pope either has the intellectual capacity of a petrified vegetable or is now shilling for Putin.
On everything. He’s an antiquated old bigot who was an idiot long before he was made the head of the church PR phase. All his platitudes and nice talking points are all manufactured
Idiot… and total asshole, also. Someone posted the Wikipedia link and I read up. Yuck.
With modern society, yeah.
But no one hates every other Abrhamic religion more than the leader of one them.
And Islam is the biggest one. Judaism isn’t a threat to replace any form of Christianity, they don’t have the numbers.
But there’s about the same amount of Christians and Muslims in the world. For about 1300 years Christian leaders have been trying to stop Islam from becoming the majority.
That’s the most important thing in Abrhamic religions: doing what it takes to be the majority.
The Bible even says if a family member ever doubts Jesus, you’re to kill them immediately to prevent them from convincing others.
Which is a throw back to a schizophrenic guy named Abraham killing his family because they doubted the voices Abraham heard in his head.
All this shit traces back to some random crazy guy that demanded his family do exactly what he says without question. It’s like the one part that never changes
The Bible even says if a family member ever doubts Jesus, you’re to kill them immediately to prevent them from convincing others.
Which is a throw back to a schizophrenic guy named Abraham killing his family because they doubted the voices Abraham heard in his head.
I’m gonna request citations on these two.
Pass the popcorn mate, we could be a while.
Talk about being confidently incorrect.
Wow, I’m usually criticizing people for saying they read the Bible when they clearly didn’t, but this is the most blatantly, absurdly untrue one that I can remember.
And like, it’s not like there isn’t some weird shit in the Bible, or valid critiques of Abrahamic religions, but did this bro go for any of that? Nah, better to just make stuff up. Which is kinda ironic…
Indood. You’ll always do a better job of criticizing something if you don’t lie about it.
Dear Pope: Direct your fucking comments to the guy who is invading Ukraine. Thanks.
Is Russia losing?
Yeah, they have failed to take hold of much of Ukraine in 10 years of invading. Even less in the last 2 amd change.
They did manage to lose 300,000+ directly in the war and more that fled their shithole country.
Russia is a loser country.
You are a victim of propaganda without even realizing it.
Are they winning?
Yes. Putin’s gambit of waiting out the West is paying off in spades.
Just another example of him being smarter than the average reddit/lemmyer. You guys legitimately believe whatever is upvoted is correct, and that’s sad.
Has it been two weeks since the war started already?
They sure aren’t winning in 3 days like they said they would 🥴
I kick in your front door and kill two of your kids. I then plant mines at the entrances to your living room and kitchen, eat all the food from the refrigerator and shoot at you if you try to come downstairs. You need to end this aggression, it’s unseemly and it’s getting people hurt. Just cede the living room and the kitchen, you wouldn’t want to escalate things. Also I can’t help but notice that your basement and upstairs bathroom are looking pretty liberateable.
That’s what Israel is demanding from Palestinians since one century
“Leader of a child sex abuse cult says stupid shit.”
had used the term white flag “to indicate a cessation of hostilities, a truce reached with the courage of negotiation”. He repeated the pontiff’s call for a “diplomatic solution in search of a just and lasting peace”
That’s kinda hard when Russia bombs humanitary corridors, ceasefire equals rearm and regroup and nothing else, and the last diplomatic solution was used as toilet paper to start the current war.
Tell you what popeman, how about you get rid of all the kid rapists in your organization before you give anyone else advice on anything… Ever.
And the hat. The hat’s gotta go.
When the Pope allows all sexual abusers in the Faith be prosecuted and held accountable for their disgusting and morally evil crimes then maybe I’ll give a fuck what he has to say about anything. Out of touch old man doesn’t get to protect kiddy fiddlers and then try and preach to others.
Russian state TV host Vladimir Solovyov berated Pope Francis for “sticking his nose where it does not belong” and suggesting negotiations. Solovyov said that Russia has no interest in negotiations and does not recognize the Pope as a spiritual leader…so I guess the pope should wave the white flag…
In the meantime, his family is enjoying views from their villa at Como Lake
Leader of single largest pedophile ring in history thinks X.
This Is how they should report on this piece of shit every time he opens up his cocksucker.
Fuck the pope. Glad that I already exited the Catholic Church a few years ago…
Exited? Or were you just a youngin at the time?
Most little boys seen to excite the Catholic Church
woops…of course I meant that I exited the church. Here in germany we have to pay something called “church tax” unless you formerly adress that you exit the church. You have to fill out a form, have to go to the town hall, have a little talk with some guy about it and then you are finally good to go.
This, is a real thing? Church, Tax.
That YOU pay?
Yep
I too was an altar boy, exciting the Catholic Church
Isn’t religion suffering from people leaving and no new blood entering for growth? Maybe the Catholic Church can wave the white flag?
Latin America and Sub Sahara Africa and Southeast Asia have seen big upticks in Catholic conversion and Catholic family growth, while in the US and Europe they’ve been flat or shrinking.
I’m sure it isn’t a coincidence that these countries are opposed to the conflict, as continued war in the Ukraine has denied them access to the agricultural production of the region (during a climate-change induced famine, no less). The war itself isn’t exactly doing favors to climate metrics, either.
Add in that the primary advocates of the war (the US, the UK, and Germany) have an absolute shit reputation in these regions (West Germany famously continued to send arms to Apartheid South Africa well into the 1980s, the US has completely fucked its relationship with Pakistan in the latest rigged election against a wildly popular prime minister Imran Khan, the UK keeps trying to send all its Ukraine refugees to Rwanda), they aren’t overly sympathetic to the Western-backed side in the conflict.
So now enter the Pope, a guy who is forever “anti-war” in the most basic sense of the word and will advocate for a ceasefire in virtually every conflict. Image how much of his constituency is howling at the absolute waste and destruction, partially at their expense, that’s driving up food and energy prices globally when they can least afford it.
Is it any surprise he just wants this shit to end already?
Russia waving the white flag would end the war equally as fast
Would it? I’ve heard more than a few bellicose westerners insist the war can’t end until Ukrainians are in Moscow.
“Could you please stop defending yourself. And let it happen.” - Some guy who likes to cover up child abuse
Fuck the pope, I mean, pedophile pimp.
The Ukrainians should capitulate like the Franks at Poitiers or the Venetians at the Battle of Lepanto, or the Austrians at the Battle of Vienna. Perhaps if the Ukranians were Catholic, the Pope might support their resistance more.
