- California authorities found a man illegally owning 248 guns and 1 million rounds of ammo.
- The state attorney general said he also had 3,000 magazines and several grenades in his home.
- The guns included 11 machine guns, 133 handguns, and 60 assault rifles, authorities said.
The best part is, it sounds like they arrested him and seized his guns, all without a shot being fired.
I would love to know why this guy felt he needed so many guns and ammo, because obviously it wasn’t to protect himself from a hostile government.
Perhaps the thing he was worried about wasn’t peacefully being arrested.
Perhaps the reason this got resolve peacefully is because any violence would have been felt heavily by both sides.
Collector maybe? The article makes it sound like they may have been legally acquired prior to him being barred from owning them. That cache may have been worth hundreds of thousands of dollars from the machine guns alone.
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I guess we found the guy causing the Ammo shortage, it wasn’t Obama after all!
They didn’t name him how do you know it wasn’t Obama
Black man with that many guns and they didn’t fire a shot while arresting him?
He’s the guy in every movie that shows up in an SUV, pops the trunk, and pulls back a dirty tarp revealing a small arsenal.
Burt Gummer in Tremors and Tremors 2.
Get the elephant gun. Also reba was bad ass in tremors
I was so disappointed she wasn’t in Aftershocks! But I like how Burt’s character ended up because of it.
I too want a “rec room”.
Or have the Mexican military give me carte blanche at their inventory.
This is too accurate for Richmond. I know truck drivers that won’t even deliver there.
"Muh protection rifles! "
nooo u cant take my emotional support machine gun body pillows from meeee
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Lemmy Users: Gun control works great! Machine guns are illegal so nobody will have any, we are all safe!
California man: Hold my beer…
Gun control does work great, when implemented on a national level.
Literally no science to support the notion it doesn’t.
Only brainwashed Americans think it doesn’t work.
Unless you consider the illegal acquisition of 248 guns to be evidence that it doesn’t work.
Is it more difficult to bring something into the country across the border, or to transport an item between two states?
If it isn’t obvious to you that only banning something on the state level is SIGNIFICANTLY less effective than nationally, I can only assume you’ve never actually left the country.
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The US has the right to bear arms enshrined in our constitution. I don’t need any justification beyond it is my right. Feel free to give away you personal rights in your own country, I could care less.
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Gun control doesn’t work because criminals don’t pay attention to laws. The only people who will follow the law are the non-criminals.
Gun control doesn’t work because criminals don’t pay attention to laws
Of course they do. They make the same calculation you do when you decide to drive over the speed limit: how likely am I to get caught, how serious will it be if I get caught, do I really need to take this risk, etc. That’s why some criminals only break the speed limit, other criminals only steal things from empty stores, other criminals inflate the value of their real estate holdings to get cheap loans, commit campaign fraud to hide an affair with a porn star, and then attempt to launch a coup to stay in power.
Let’s look at how similar criminals might make a decision about using a gun as part of their crime in London vs. St. Louis.
London St. Louis How likely am I to be caught Pretty likely, guns are rare. It would be a big risk to trust someone to get me a gun. Guns are common, so pretty unlikely How serious will it be if I get caught Very serious, gun crimes are heavily punished The gun won’t make things worse Do I really need to take this risk No, the regular cops don’t have guns, the civilians don’t have guns, I don’t need a gun Of course I need a gun. Cops are heavily armed and twitchy, the public is heavily armed and twitchy. I can’t succeed at this crime unless I’m heavily armed Is the risk worth it Doing the crime is worth it, doing the crime with a gun is too big of an additional risk. If I’m going to do the crime, I have no choice but to use the biggest gun I can find That is a nicely organized wall of text, you seem to have put a lot of effort into it. Too bad it is mostly opinion and isn’t true.
Merely possessing a firearm while committing a crime in St Louis is a class D felony and is punishable by up to 7 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
Using a firearm in a criminal offense is also a class D felony and is punishable by up to 15 years in prison depending upon the criminal history of the defendant. In the US multiple crimes can stack the charges. So a defendant could be looking at a lifetime conviction.
Some very basic Googling would have revealed this to you. Most of this can be found under MO statute 571.
I’m not an expert on UK law but from some more basic googling it seems the laws range from 7 years for purchasing to life for the actual use of a firearm.
Once again laws don’t deter criminals, they just punish honest citizens.
Once again laws don’t deter criminals, they just punish honest citizens.
That’s an idiotic point of view. There aren’t “criminals” and “non-criminals”. Virtually everybody is a criminal, it’s just that most people only break minor laws, like running red lights, infringing copyrights, littering, etc. Those people don’t break other laws because the risk vs. reward calculation doesn’t work out for them.
Even a big criminal like Donald Trump who has broken dozens if not hundreds of laws isn’t out shooting people because that’s not the kind of crime he does.
There isn’t some magic switch that turns someone from “honest citizen” to “criminal”, it’s a whole spectrum of law breaking. Even that old lady who goes to church every day probably goes faster than the speed limit, parks illegally, etc. For someone in the middle of the spectrum, say someone who cheats on their taxes, tries to scam old church-going ladies out of their money, etc. there are kinds of crimes they’ll do, and other kinds of crimes they won’t do.
Way at the criminal end of the spectrum, you have people who commit violent crimes. But, not every violent crime involves a gun. Muggers and carjackers don’t always use guns because the extra punishment is a slight deterrent. So, the law deters them. However, since the US is a society of gun nuts, it doesn’t offer as much of a deterrent as it would in some place like the UK or Japan.
No acknowledgement that your prior post had zero facts or even a basis in reality when it came to criminal law? No matter how many facts I just put out there you just want to move the goal posts and fall back to how you feel criminals calculate when to use guns or not.
Your feelings don’t constitute an argument I respect or wish to engage in further.
This criminal, the one in the article, didn’t pay attention to the laws. He was arrested before he shot anyone with his arsenal.
Yep foolish laws make otherwise law abiding citizens criminals over the mere possession of an outlawed item. Even though no other individual was hurt.
Sound strangely familiar… what’s that word that rhymes with hugs? Nancy Reagan had a war with it or something…
So in one incident, a shooter with a history of violence buys guns, keeps them for years, and then shoots up a mall. According to gun fetishists, gun laws would do nothing to prevent that incident. In another incident, a person with a history of violence buys guns, keeps them for years, and is arrested for owning guns he shouldn’t have. Thus, there is no mass shooting incident.
I’m desperately trying to figure out what kind of incident will prove this point without requiring a friggin time machine.
You’re falling into a cognitive fallacy that many fanatic gun grabbers seem to exhibit. You assume a crime will be committed in the future based on owning an inanimate object.
Pro 2A enjoyers reject that fallacy. An inanimate object does not have agency. Agency is held by the individual. The individual should enjoy the benefits and responsibilities from the use of an object as well as the consequences of misuse that come with it. The group should not be punished for the crimes of a few.
Law abiding citizens that own guns are not criminals and we reject assertions that we are wrong for owning an object. The safest most law abiding segment of society are conceal and carry permit holders. Millions of us carry every day and do not break the law and do no harm to others.
But that fact is conveniently forgotten by fanatic gun grabbers when pursuing their agenda.
You mean you “couldn’t care less”, not you “could care less”.
Dear America — David Mitchell’s soapbox
You’re repeating bad NRA propaganda. There is zero evidence that gun control doesn’t work, and a literal fuckton of evidence that it does.
So be brainwashed if you will, but there is literally no science at all to support your side, so you’re essentially worse than a Flat Earther in this argument. Since they at least offer attempts at explaining their insanity. You don’t, you just say something without having any actual evidence for it.
https://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/1/140.full.pdf+html
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Send it to Ukraine
“Mr. Webley, I trust you have a license for that firearm?”
“(mumble mumble)”
“He does for this one.”
So from what I’ve read he wasn’t arrested because of the quantity of guns and ammo, but just because he wasn’t supposed to have weapons.
Makes me wonder if there are any laws on the books for how many guns and bullets one person can own and store on their property.
How the hell do you get 11 machine guns. That’s a full on armory
I live a half hour away from Addyston, OH. No problemo.
Ok, and I’ve done a shit ton of drugs in Dayton, I get like police chiefs and gang members getting automatic weapons. But this guy seems like a collector and not an arms trafficker (well non-collection trafficker) or something similar. As a person in some seedy shit I just don’t get how you’d even bring that shit up.
Though as I say this I realize I have gun friends and am probably less degrees of separation from buying a machine gun than I think I am. That’s concerning.
My connection to the black market is an ex friend who I think is a psychopath but who’s otherwise fun to party with.
He want to prison for killing a guy, and after he got out was when I started hearing about opportunities to drive a trunkful of cocaine across the country and things like that.
What I’m saying is I think the place those deals get made — like let’s buy 100 M-16s instead of let’s buy ten doses of MDMa — happen in prison.
Fair point, but even as a collector, the number of weapons that went through his hands is quite concerning, to say the least.
(FWIW, I’m no expert of any kind, but am the son of a gunsmith/Maine State Hunting Guide/competitive marksman/redneck motherfucker who taught shooting and hunter safety, and who loathed the NRA, so my opinion is admittedly a bit skewed.)
Yeah I’m just some Midwestern dyke who hangs out with unsavory folks but that’s the thing in my perspective, you need a criminal side, a gun side, and to be the sort of person people will consider selling an illegal gun to. All of which is wild to me. Like acid is a pain to get, but machine guns…
Seriously, I think I’d have an easier time getting machine gun manufacturing going than purchasing
Oh yeah. No federal watchlists for that comment, no sir.
Fair, I will tell the feds, my understanding of how machine guns work is rudimentary at best and my machining skills are laughable in the handful of places they exist. It would be a several year process to learn to make them. I just think it would be even harder to buy one
Somewhere in another timeline, a person has asked “How on earth would gun laws actually stop a mass shooting like this one involving 11 machine guns and hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition?” And then a timeline-traveler would have brought that person to this timeline, and shown them this article, where said individual was arrested ahead of time.
It’s for that really big bear.
When waging war is your weekend hobby.
That’s just your average republican.
Should have changed his name to William Ronald Milita.
The guns included 11 machine guns, 133 handguns, and 60 assault rifles, authorities said.
A little confused by this… a majority of assault rifles are machine guns, no? And I can’t imagine what other kind of fully auto weapon he could have gotten. What are the “11 machine guns”, SMGs or LMGs/GPMGs?
Edit: He straight up just has belt-fed machine guns, how the fuck do you obtain 11 of those?
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