The video shows Michael Yon making false claims regarding so-called “terrorists coming across the border being funded by Jewish money.” Yon was speaking at a “Take Back Our Border” convoy in Texas.
In the video posted on X, formerly Twitter, the man can be heard claiming that HIAS, a global Jewish nonprofit that works to protect refugees, is responsible for funding terrorists coming to America.
Descends into?
Are you sure they weren’t there all along?
Indeed. We need a new version of Godwin’s law. Something like
The odds of xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, or antisemitism appearing in a conversation is directly proportional to the number of conservatives participating in that conversation.
Hence forth this will be known as “Billiams law”
So say we all
So say we all!
With an accent!
So say we all!
Godwin’s law was always more harm than good. Basically stating that despite a long history with fascism, it was inappropriate to compare Republicans to fascists/Nazis. Sure not everyone who votes Republican is a fascist. They’re just okay with fascists. But if you are a fascist or modern Nazi, if you vote you vote Republican and always have.
What you’re putting forward is much more like a razor anyway. See Occam’s or Hanlon’s.
…my dude, the only people who are okay with fascists are other fascists. Like, that’s not even a debatable question.
Godwin didn’t say it wasn’t okay to call Republicans Nazis, he warned that one shouldn’t make such comparisons lightly because it risks desensitizing everyone to the atrocities the Nazis committed and numbs the impact being called a Nazi should have. And to an extent he’s still correct, as much of the Republican party thinks the issue with Nazism is branding (The Boys summed it up perfectly when Stormfront said "People love what I have to say, they just don’t like the word ‘Nazi’ ".)
He also said it’s perfectly fine comparing Trump to Hitler.
I agree with you. Though perhaps I was being too subtle. Yes, if you are okay with fascists and fascism then you are one of them. The whole point was that it isn’t better to support it than it is to outright claim to be it.
As the proverb says, the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. That may have been what Godwin intended. But that wasn’t the result. The result was we were loathe to even discuss the Republican party’s enduring fascism problems In general. Especially in recent times. Because someone would shout out “Godwin’s law!” as a discussion-ending cliche. Simply because Republicans hadn’t slaughtered millions recently.
We lost all focus on how it starts, over defference with how it ended. Leaving many many people to wonder where the fascism that has existed for most of the last 100 years suddenly came from.
Look man, I’m gonna need you to stop being so reasonable and polite when debating on the Internet, or I’m gonna have to call your ISP and get your internet privileges revoked.
“descends into,” “reveals undertone of,” tomatoes, tomahtoes
“Texas border convoy removes mask”
And it would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for you kids and your dog.
Idk about you guys but I hate Nazis more than I hate illegal immigrants.
Hopefully their power grid can keep up this winter.
I hate Nazis
“Especially Illinois Nazis”
~“Joliet” Jake Blues
Idk what these words mean
It’s a quote from a movie called “the blues brothers” with John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd
i weep for this generation.
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Jesus fuck I’ll never understand these people. So now the Jews are sending Mexicans? Do they hear themselves when they speak? How incredibly fucking stupid that sounds?
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It’s not that confusing. You figure out who you hate, and then find any possible reason for them to be the cause of all your life’s problems, no matter how thin or tenuous.
Luckily, there are always people to tell you both of the above.
This is not a new theory. This was the motivation for the 2018 Tree of Life shooting, which is the deadliest anti-semitic attack in American history.
Maybe it’s the Mexicans who are sending their jews?
Now that’s a shama llama ding dong level plot twist
Well yah, because the space laser didn’t work!
Except they still believe that one… They even know what color it is.
It’s blue, apparently, and you can protect your home from it by painting your roof blue… Doesn’t matter what shade of blue, just so long as it is blue.
True to form… Someone began advertising their blue paint as protection from the laser.
Yea, this crap is making it harder and harder to make jokes. It’s like someone installed a mod in the simulation that makes reality go bonkers.
I kinda wonder if it had been said the Russians are sending the Mexicans if people around here might have bought into it despite the ridiculousness.
It’s because of their stereotypes. They see Jews as shifty underhanded masterminds. There’s no other minority group that they see that way so everything they don’t like they blame the Jews for.
Well there’s a shock.
I disagree with the word “descends.” Aren’t their previous racist and otherwise positions equally low? This is a lateral move not a descent.
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Yet this is the same party attacking the left for being antisemitic, and the media never contextualizes their attacks with things like this or their Jewish space laser actual antisemitism.
The so-called antisemitism: pls stop genociding Palestinians :(
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When does free speech descend into incitement?
When black people do it.
See: BLM protests
Technically there is a legal answer but unfortunately in the States it has different possible definitions at the State and Federal level.
In a very general sense one in part looks at intention and also all the factors around in the environment. If I were to go “we should kill the !” in a forum such as this where generally speaking we are all just people talking and hyperbole is more or less the norm it’s probably not going to meet the criteria of a chargeable incitement. If I as a speaker at a podium where I have been marketed as some kind of authority - even if that is just implied by the fact I am on the podium - start winding up a crowd with the intention of setting them loose to a criminal purpose or start yelling at someone who is already weilding a gun to shoot then that’s a pretty strong case for incitement. Your intention is made fairly clear and you are in a place to directly influence in an outsized fashion how events might play out.
A lot of the harmful rhetoric that goes on, while priming the stage for individual people to become aggressive and more predisposed to take out their aggressions on the target (stochastic terrorism) has been leaned on quite heavily in modern times it does so basically cheating the system. If you start low and slow and let the water appear to boil itself then it generally protects you from a incitement charge.
How does a group “descend” to a position they never left. That’s like saying these conservative shitstains “descended” into racism and xenophobia. They are conservatives FFS!
I think it’s funny how the starting point was they’re christian nationalist secessionist traitors but OP’s red line is anti-semitism.
It’s pretty common to see in the Jewish culture. They generally really don’t give a shit about anything outside their bubble but when something happens to them they demand they world drops everything to help them or otherwise you’re a piece of shit.
I see where you’re coming from, but in the case of right wing conspiracy theories, “the Joos are secretly controlling the world!” is a common topic of conversation.
Yeah, not saying that isn’t true. These conspiracy kooks are wild. I just grew up in a Jewish community, so being force fed propaganda from the time I was a child got kind of exhausting. Especially when I got older and started to see through it so I think I have more of an averse reaction to it than most people would.
I was told that 21 year old college students advocating that less children get blown up were the antisemitic ones?
You’re telling me they’re not defending Jews they just like the cruelty‽
In a separate video of the same event posted by Ryan Matta, he also claims that Hamas and Hezbollah “are coming across” the U.S. border. “Venezuela is filled with Hezbollah,” he said. “Our borders are wide open, it’s our government that’s doing it.” Yon reposted the video with the caption “Allahu Akbar!”
So is it Jews or Hamas/Hezbollah?
They can’t even keep their shit straight that they are telling people. 🤦🏻♂️
They probably don’t know the difference. They’re from the same place after all LoL. These people aren’t smart.
I’m shocked
These people don’t know whether to hate or love Jews depending on what their talking heads told them that morning
They generally hate Jews unless Fox News tells them that Arabs are scarier.
When it’s not involving Arabs, then Jews are scarier.
I don’t quite understand the hierarchy of fear that’s so present in these communities though, but I assume there’s sub gradations within the groups like an Israeli Jew isn’t as bad as a wall street Jew and a wall street Jew is scarier than a Mexican but not a taxi driver?
I’m probably not racist enough to grasp the nuances of their thinking but I’m among the scary people so I try to catalogue where I am in the moment on the hate scale LoL. Rising the ranks quickly is my current experience…
For many of them the role Israel plays in their eschatological fantasies drives a lot of that complication and nuance.
Oh this is good.
Maybe we’ll see some of that censorship put to good use, now.
Oh, what? No way.
