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Because Boeing were on such a good streak already…
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Working for Boeings PR department must be absolute madness right now… imagine having to somehow excuse all those fuck ups and every week there is a new one
Can’t have a PR department if you laid them off.
The company is still worth over 100 billions. They do something right.
Otherwise I agree with you. It’s almost hilarious to see fail after fail (as long as you are not in the plane).
What they do right is having a duopoly with Airbus, and great military contracts. So investors know that even if things are shit rn, they will probably get better again.
Furthermore, while I agree that Boeing probably will not go bankrupt over this, the valuation sometimes is not a great indicator of what’s going on internally. Enron was worth over 60 billion. Half a year later they were at zero. Now I’m not saying Boeing is nearly that bad, but they are in some trouble for sure.
It’s call “military contracts”
Military contracts.
Well they were not doing so hot just 4 years ago when they said they were short a cool 60billion…
Nestle is worth billions. Sure, a bunch of kids die and we use slavery, but they must be doing something right.
Google’s worth billions, and they can go probably about 6 years doing nothing right before that changes. It took Yahoo! a while, you’ll catch on.
How is this Boeings issue? This is a maintenance problem with the airline. Tires get replaced by maintenance staff. That plane isn’t brand new.
Well, if proper maintenance was done and the part still failed due to a design or quality issue that was improperly QC’d (missed, skipped, etc) then yeah it could be Boeings fault.
They’re getting extra scrutiny right now because of all the incidents recently, and all the anecdotal stories of former employees talking about how a bunch of suits are destroying it from the inside to make a quick buck.
And frankly, they fucking deserve it.
Sure, but the 757 is a 40 year old design that has been out of production for 20 years.
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Careful. Boeing already tried the “but it’s not our job” excuse on a few major incidences with an executive now locked behind bars after pushing bribes to cover it up . They’d be best backing off on taking an attitude about where to assign blame. They got a lot of red spots that will never come out.
I remember watching this PBS Frontline segment on plane maintenance 10 years or so ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0b020OFj4
I imagine we still have those problems and the recent news of counterfeit parts entering the market is scary.
Good thing these recent incidents ended up with no serious injuries or death. Perhaps this timing is good in some really weird way as the Supreme Court starts considering powers of regulatory agencies and concerns around government funding to highlight the importance and need for this government role.
I think the first two repliers have never heard of Ockham’s razor. I mean a micro meteorite could have struck some part of the wheel and knocked it off too, but probably not. Though that would be boeing’s fault to, because they didn’t make it micro meteorite tolerant.
Is it not Ocam’s razor?
Occam’s*
No worries, it has been towed outside of the environment.
Into a different environment, right?
No, no, no, no, it’s being towed BEYOND the environment. It’s not in the environment.
There’s nothing out there. There’s nothing but leaves and grass and rocks.
And?
And a tire.
Me, standing in the Backrooms, watching as a busted up 757 goes past:
No, no, no, no, it’s being towed BEYOND the environment. It’s not in the environment.
Real life wall clip hack, any% boeing speedrun, impossible?
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The front usually isn’t supposed to fall off
It’s not very typical, let me make that point.
Some are even designed so the front doesn’t fall off.
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Wasn’t it built so that the nose wheel wouldn’t fall off?
That design choice was revolutionary at the time.
I don’t know where to put it but here’s about MCAS anyway, the cost-cutting system meant to keep Boeing in the game, but also took over flight controls sometimes and nose dived planes straight into the ground, causing hundreds (some say thousands!) of fatalities:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System
Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
The Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) is a flight stabilizing feature developed by Boeing that became notorious for its role in two fatal accidents of the 737 MAX, which killed all 346 passengers and crew among both flights. Systems similar to the Boeing 737 MCAS were previously included on the Boeing 707 and Boeing KC-46, a 767 variant. On the 737 MAX, MCAS was intended to mimic the flight behavior of the previous generation of the series, the Boeing 737 NG. During MAX flight tests, Boeing discovered that the position and larger size of the engines tended to push the nose up during certain maneuvers. Engineers decided to use MCAS to counter that tendency, since major structural redesign would have been prohibitively expensive and time-consuming.
I’m starting to think Boeing is under bad management.
Well obviously not… Because the nose wheel fell off.
Yes but probably management saw that as a problem limiting the future wheel assembly purchases. I mean you can land without the wheel right?
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Not during maintenance but while it was waiting for takeoff…
Maybe Delta should’ve gotten the input of the focus group from I Think You Should Leave when trying to determine what they should do with their maintenance dollars.
No space for mother in law.
On some Boeing aircraft, the nose wheel will actually come off when the autopilot system overcompensates during takeoff and crashes the plane straight into the ground. There were aome small news stories about it a few years back.
It’s even known that the nose itself can come off if the autopilot overcompensates while in flight and crashes the plane into the ground.
Are you sure? This makes it sound like every time the plane crashes into the ground because of autopilot overcompensation, its a good bet to assume the nose itself has already come off.
It’s a bad day to stop sniffing glue!
You ever seen a grown man naked?
Surely you can’t be serious!
The old saying, “If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going”, it just needs slightly tweaked to be accurate today XD
In fairness, the 757 was designed when Boeing was still engineering focused and is one of the best commercial aircraft ever produced. This airframe, N672DL, is 32 years old, so it was almost certainly an issue with Delta’s maintenance. It was also quickly repaired and returned to service the next day.
No one was criticizing Airbus when one of their aircraft was found the other day missing fasteners before a flight: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/nyc-bound-flight-canceled-passenger-31941807.amp
If its Boeing I ain’t landing doesn’t have the same ring.
If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.
Now make like a tree, and get the heck outta here.
McFly! Hello!
And, every Boeing ever has landed. Some in suboptimal approaches.
“If its Airbus, its the best bus”
All kidding aside, the passenger experience is a lot better anyway. Overhead storage bins on the newer airbus planes is a hell of a lot better, not to mention the infotainment systems that airlines seem to opt for. The way they integrate and function vs the Boeing dreamliners is a pretty stark contrast.
I dunno, the 777ER is a great long distance plane, but the A320 is also a good experience. I really think Boeing fucked up with keeping that old workhorse the 737 around at the behest of pilots and customers. Especially since the 777 is (knocking on wood) as safe as it gets, no hull losses from internal factors as of today.
Boeing’s mismanagement is not just a 737 problem: It’s a USA problem, they are the ones that make our jets, missiles, and manage our first strike capacity. These are things that much like our planes, cannot fail. EVER.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It happens
Elsewhere: Airbus Christmas party budget doubles.
I feel uncomfortable as a taxpayer having inadvertently supported Boeing and they are literally falling apart.
You think Airbus is gonna expand its capacity to build even more planes?
According the Airbus themselves, they finished 2023 with a backlog of 8598 orders, and they delivered 735 planes that same year. They are occupied for years ahead and it’s probably not so simple to increase production.
Edit: the source: Orders and deliveries / airbus.com
is this a new plane or is delta shirking on maintenance (delta’s fleet is one of the oldest)
This is an older plane. The last 757 was produced around 2004, so they’re 20 years old now. That said, I absolutely love this airframe there an absolute pleasure to fly. The Delta configuration has bathrooms in three spots on the plane. I’m fairly certain the fuselage is a little bit wider than a 737 so you get a little bit more room in the aisle AND there’s more exit row seating. The 757 has an interesting wing design to improve efficiency. It’s like partially super critical or something. Maybe somebody else can add on to that.
I remember flying the 757 a from Seattle to Detroit during covid and it was basically completely empty. It’s a bummer were going to see them start going away.
This plane is 32 years old, delivered in 1992
This is (probably) not Boeings fault, it’s just that karma is striking back at them lol
