Pizza Hut made over $6 billion last year, you’d think they could afford to pay their drivers.
Of course the can pay their drivers but think of the poor shareholders who may see 0.1% less profit or the CEO who may get only 99% of their usual bonus. Oh the horror!!
Technically it’s mega franchisees like Provender Capital Group’s “PacSun Pizza,” not PizzaHut that is going to be pocketing the cash from this move.
It’s all about maximizing profit.
Expending the least, while taking in the most.
It’s staggering how many people don’t understand the difference between franchises and corporations on wall street in the internet age
They could have just focused on providing a better delivery experience, instead they’re going to let uber drivers deliver cold pizza with the wrong soda.
With higher delivery fees! Why on earth would anyone even order Pizza Hut after this? If I’m paying obscene delivery fees and jacked up menu prices through doordash or whoever anyway, I’m getting better food than that. Or just eating at home like I end up doing every time I look at the total from one of those services.
I’ve only ordered from the big ones to avoid fucky delivery services. It just eliminates the point of it.
Why on earth would anyone even order Pizza Hut after this?
More money than sense.
Businesses have long realized it’s easier and cheaper to rip off a smaller group of wealthier customers.
Seriously. I don’t see why companies that were already paying for delivery drivers (eg, the chain pizza companies) don’t sell their delivery services as a value add. When I order a pizza from DoorDash, it doesn’t come wrapped in an insulated carrier and so often arrives cold. I’m not sure what else they could throw in but they’re just tossing it (no pun intended).
I’m also curious as to the numbers on this. I don’t know if this was done after a full evaluation of raising delivery service fees or other ways of addressing it, but the fact that they’re doing it in all of California instead of keeping it in markets like SF or LA makes me think it was a petulant act rather than a rationally justified one.
Just as a clarification (not a defense) from someone that drives for DoorDash - every time the driver picks up a pizza order, they are required to provide photo proof that they own a pizza bag. I’m not saying this forces drivers to use them, but they have to upload different pics of their pizza bags sometimes with every pickup.
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The reason you have to do this is because you drivers are notorious for having absolutely zero standards and a solid “idgaf” attitude.
Give them a low rating, then. Hardly anyone leaves ratings, and a 1 star could easily tank them below the 4.2 rating they need to avoid their account being deactivated. I’ve done over 600 runs and only 35 have left any kind of rating, for example. Super easy to tank the average.
Oh, I had no idea. Thank you for the clarification!
Right? Just charge me $5 for delivery and pay your drivers a decent wage.
This is so weird to me because pizza is one of the few things I actually order for delivery… there isn’t much around here other than 3rd party services, which I don’t use because I’m rural and the way it works here is just gross. Had 6 come in for the same failed order while I was out on Tuesday (menu wasn’t open for that item but it was ordered through another platform, and 6 people came asking for it for the same order because of how the platform works). I can’t imagine actually working there.
But I suppose in more urban areas, pizza hut is competing with actually good food also on delivery (for a very steep markup people are apparently willing to pay or the services would die), so it’s no surprise they can’t compete on their own; and still also turn record profits. Heaven forbid they die in the region. 🙂
This is why I won’t order pizza from places that use a sub contracted delivery. It gets here like shite. No thanks.
It was not a good move on their part.
And they are going to charge for it. I hate pizza places that have done this. It’s at LEAST $20-$30 more now to get delivery.
Yeah. It’s pretty bad. It’s the good pizza places that do that, too.
F*ck the people who empower gig economy. Fuck Uber eats, door dash and everything similar.
You can say fuck on Lemmy
You could say it anywhere except in front of insecure reddit mods.
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The lock-downs definitely aren’t at fault for doordash and ubereats, they were there and gaining traction before covid was discovered.
wat
Bruh, idk where you’re at, but in the major cities we were using Grubhub back in 2016. Though I think it was “Eat24” back then. And Door Dash had existed even earlier. This one isn’t on the 'rona.
This is one of the most ignorant comments I’ve seen on the internet today.
Pizza hut is trash anyways, unless you live in the middle of nowhere, you’ve probably got a better local pizza place. Please support them instead of a chain.
Shit, even Dominos is better than Pizza Hut these days. (Though yes, local is better.)
Domino’s is horrible but still better than Pizza Hut.
I actually quite like Dominos, specifically their Philly Cheesesteak pizza. They really turned their brand/quality around a few years back.
But there is obviously better pizza out there.
Most chains don’t have stuff crust. But I agree with you anyway
Most chains don’t have stuff crust
Good. I tried it a couple times and it was gross. The pizza was shit too.
But the crust is stuffed!
And? Stuffed crust is terrible. Ever wonder why real pizza places don’t bother?
Have you even been to a real pizza place or is Pizza Hut all you know?
Taste in food is subjective and not everybody hates something that you hate.
I never knew that people felt so strongly on this question. TIL
Eh, local places are usually bigger scams than chains.
Is no one else going to blame an overly specific minimum wage? I couldn’t find anything too specific but in California, it looks like:
- fast food minimum wage: $20/hr, going to $22
- gig drivers: $15/hr
Of course they’re going to outsource drivers, This looks like a nice Christmas gift to UberEats/DoirDash
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They should create incentive by taxing the shit out of businesses and offering tax breaks for actually offering living wages and benefits to their employees. If the “correct” answer in capitalism is to find the cheapest solution,
I think this is a novel idea and an interesting thought experiment.
If we passed this federally, I think it’s most likely we see an outsourcing - to ourselves. With the market floor raised so high across the board, distortionary effects would then kick in and what I posit we’d see is a shitload of both business and consumer flight to rural areas.
Prices for rent, obviously, would go through the fuckin roof. This would cause a mass exodus to surrounding areas, but I think business investment would actually beat them, because if you’re paying 60k/year anyway, you may as well put your facility in the cheapest possible location.
Businesses are already shifting toward being physically close to their suppliers/major logistics hubs, to save cost elsewhere, so big “shipping towns” (which are, essentially, a few big wholesale distributors and nothing else) could see massive investment.
What’s weird for me is that this may actually help our housing situation in the medium term, as explosive growth in these areas even out demand hotspots.
Idk about high raises in labor market floors to predict much beyond that, but it’s something I’ll definitely check out.
These aren’t completely pie-in-the-sky proposals, either. Simply tying maximum compensation for publicly owned companies would start this kind of a chain rolling, in a smaller way, I think. Labor prices would jump ludicrously just from the amount of low-skill labor employed by major companies.
Inflation would be bonkers and you can’t raise interest rates too fast or you basically nuke your economy, so how this plays out for the average joe is anyone’s guess. Fun to think about tho
I can’t for the life of me think that this will be good for them though. Food delivery services are notoriously shitty/slow. If I order a pizza and have to wait for an intendent person to come pick it up and deliver it when ever is convenient for them? Thats not gonna work for me… and I would be loud and boisterous to the company.
But also gig drivers aren’t getting the minimum. Uber and Lyft promise you’ll make the minimum through the ride fares if you work a whole hour. But that doesn’t happen. Many people don’t notice because the pay is distributed across the rides but some have actually done the math with their daily totals. They also just lost a court case about paying mileage, so they not have to reimburse mileage they weren’t doing before.
With a business climate like that it’s no wonder everyone else is jettisoning delivery drivers. The rideshare companies are getting away with murder by comparison.
This is what’s so annoying. I had literal arguments with both people online and IRL about this massive jump in minimum wage and how it would have this exact effect. I was told over and over that it didn’t work like that, that people needed a livable wage, etc. My argument was that not all work has equal value and that minimum wage jobs aren’t intended as jobs you raise a family on. They’re a stepping stone as you enter the workforce and begin to develop/gain skills to be able to do work which has more value. With the insane increase in fast food minimum wage only one of two things will happen. Option one is that the price of the food shoots up and can no longer be competitive. Why would you pay $30 for fast food when you can go to an actual restaurant and get better quality for the same price? This leads many of these fast food joints to close and with it the jobs. Option two is that companies find ways to cut services and/or automate to offset the increased cost. The end result here is that once again the jobs go away.
I would love to have a proponent of this explain to me how no jobs is preferable to lower paying jobs. As a highschool kid, I was grateful to have my minimum wage job.
Except minimum wage should support you fully because, as you may have noticed in high school, NOT everyone working at your minimum-wage workplace was “a high school kid”. Walmart and a lot of other places that skate by offering minimum wage effectively outsource the rest of the money they SHOULD be paying to the government - what you may know as “your fucking taxes”. You wanna see less people using welfare? You should be out there demanding companies pay more - some estimates are that Walmart’s profits are effectively buoyed as much as 40% by taxpayer-funded welfare programs like EBT, SNAP, TANF, and various forms of rent assistance, and there are similar numbers for other minimum-wage retailers and workplaces.
“BUT THAT MIGHT RAISE PRICES”, you cry? Well, here’s the good thing - by raising MINIMUM wage, you can go to your boss and say “hey I’m only making $17 an hour doing [highly skilled job], that’s only $2 more than minimum, could we work out a raise?” And if you get your whole workplace to do this, or enough of your fellow coworkers doing similar positions, they would definitely feel far more compelled.
My argument is that the jobs DIDN’T go away, they just became gig jobs. In the big picture the increase had no effect except for speeding up the transition from one form of delivery job to a different form of delivery job.
Min wage has to cover living expenses because otherwise people are forced to make up the difference from wellfare. So in effect it is a subsidy from taxpayers to companies that pay low wages.
Full time, min-wage workers cannot afford rent for a 1-bedroom flat in 90% of the entire country.
I’m not in California, but if Pizza Hut thinks I’m ever going to go out of my way to get one of their shitty pizzas, they’re very wrong. There are plenty of other places that deliver.
I go out of my way to avoid them already. They changed their sauce or something like 10 years ago and it tasted awful.
I think they removed the msg and it was game over for their pizza. Used to think of it as like premium pizza (but with heartburn) now I think of it as a more expensive version of dominoes.
Do you know to what specific change in their recipe this is owed? I haven’t had pizza hut in 20 years, their ground meat looked like it was shaped to resemble small bones like you would for maybe dog-treats. idk, that was the last time trying their pizza.
That’s not at all what they think. They know people will pay for delivery through DoorDash or whatever and also pay the tips and the service fees. It costs them less money and passes on the majority of what they were paying onto you so they can keep prices the same and make bigger profits.
It’s insane to me that people are willing to pay the exorbitant delivery fees. Whenever I’ve checked, especially lately, it doubles the price even before tip (including things in my immediate area). Uber/Lyft/doordash all want to offset their costs onto both the restaurant and customer. I can’t see that it’s sustainable in the long term to do this.
It’s not that insane. People pay for convenience. That’s all this is.
If you’re broke as fuck then I get it but I would bet most people using DoorDash aren’t worrying about their finances.
If you do it every day for every meal then ya you may have issues.
Personally I’d rather just hop in my car and pick it up.
I used to game with a lady who ordered DoorDash constantly and was also constantly complaining about the price and how they were always late and how they could never find her apartment. I didn’t get it.
Genuinely surprised pizza hutt still exists tbh. They were never good and now you can make better pizza at home from the frozen foods aisle at weis.
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80s Pizza Hut personal pan pizza was the greatest dining experience available to anyone under the age of 12. You could earn one by reading books, or pretending to read them.
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80s Pizza Hut personal pan pizza was the greatest dining experience available to anyone under the age of 12. You could earn one by reading books, or pretending to read them.
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That deep dish is not something you duplicate at home with frozen options. I’m with you guys but let’s be realistic.
A few months ago I was suddenly craving a pan pizza… out of nowhere. In the 80’s, Pizza Hut pan pizza was the shit. I was pining for the nostalgia, I suppose.
The pizza was got was awful. Truly horrible. Pizza Hut is dead to me.
It’s the old adage: You can make a pizza so cheap, nobody will eat it. You can make an airline so cheap, nobody will fly it.
- Gordon Bethune
That was such a big deal back then. Haven’t touched it since. Thanks for taking a bullet so the rest of us can keep on us memories in tact
I worked there out of high school. They put in something like 5 pumps of oil into a large pizza pan, and the raw dough sits on top. A personal has a single squirt, the other sizes are somewhere in the middle.
You liked it in the past because you had no developed palate as a child and your stomach handled the grease better, plus a good amount of nostalgia. It was always bad lol.
had a similar experience a while back. our local pizza place was closed, so we ordered from pizza hut. twice as expensive for a shit pizza with a cardboard crust and boneless wings that were clearly pre-cooked frozen chicken that had been microwaved for a bit and then, rather than being tossed in sauce, were just put in a togo container and allowed to sit in the sauce. I’ll literally go to bed hungry before I buy another crumb of food from pizza hut.
Damn for a company that’s been shutting down locations I’d think it be cheaper to pay their employees better than lose all those customers. My state alone has seen them shut down nearly every location.
Didn’t Pizza Hut use to be a high quality sit-down restaurant that didn’t even do delivery and had a big salad bar? At least, that’s how I remembered it, because I don’t think I’ve thought about Pizza Hut in years.
Also, it is worth noting that these are companies that franchises Pizza Hut, not Pizza Hut owner Yum Brands. This is more of a case of companies being horrible in general instead of a large company being horrible.
The 20 dollar minimum wage is however well deserved, and probably should be higher considering the cost of living here in California.
I’m from NJ and a few months back I went to our local Pizza Hut with my mom since it had been years since we’d been there. Its on the corner of two major roads (one is literally called Main Road) and in a shopping center.
We pulled up and there was one car there and the entire place looked dark, we weren’t sure that they were even open, even though it was like 4:30 PM. We walked in and it was a ghost town, an employee finally appeared and we asked if they were open and she said they were. For like the 30-45 minutes that we were there we were the only people there, even for pick-up.
Speaking of which, when I used to live around NY/NJ, every single random pizzarias or Italian places in general I’ve been there has been absolutely amazingly good. Maybe there is too much competition for Pizza Hut there.
Yeah, there’s at least 5 other pizza places within a few miles. IDK why my mom always chooses Pizza Hut over them 🤷♂️
So i work in the industry
Pizza huts are barely open with even as low as 2 employees at a time. Little ceasars had 10 workers on the holidays
Every franchise could vary but not really lol the original owners of all those pizza huts are no longer careee
/uuuhmmm burp
When I was home for Christmas my mom said that she went there with my dad and their friends a few weeks ago. There was one person working and they said they couldn’t wait on my parents and their friends because they had to run the entire place themselves (make the pizzas, handle the drive through, watch the cash register, etc…). For my 4 year old niece’s birthday she got Pizza Hut again. Apparently now when you call to place an order it goes to a call center, so she had to fight with that for a few minutes and then finally decided on driving there to place the order.
We repurchased 10 million shares totaling $1.2 billion at an average price per share of $119.
They are just greedy. They have the money, but giving the money to the rich is evidently more important.
They aren’t the same people.
Franchise owners are doing this, not the centralized brand they are franchising from.
The franchise owners are still extracting wealth from the restaurant owners. That 1.2 billion came from somewhere, it didn’t just poof into existence. That’s 1.2 billion that should have gone to the workers instead of the rich shareholders who own the company. As a whole, as an entire organization they are greedy fucks and it shows.
That’s irrelevant.
makes sense. I’ve noticed since covid a lot of places use Doordash drivers instead of delivery drivers now. It’s cheaper and the extra cost goes to the customer
Near me it basically was a convenient way for greed to run rampant.
Before the pandemic, delivery meant “your order + delivery fee + tip for driver”.
The last time I attempted to order delivery it was my order ($30 minimum) + delivery fee + packaging fee (charging for the disposable containers and forks and stuff) + third party delivery service fee + tip for driver + tip for restaurant staff + delivery service peak time upcharge.
I only wanted a $20 entree, but by the time I added a few apps to get to the delivery minimum and added all the fees up with the tips, it was getting to be over $65 for one meal.
So I cancelled and cooked my own damn dinner.
I’ve done this many times. I gave up on deliveries.
Take out
Especially the part where if its their driver and something goes wrong? They have to do something about it.
If it’s a third party? “You’ll have to take it up with them, and they will tell you to take it up with us, no you’re not getting a refund.”
Yep. I avoid anything that uses it. We basically have one restaurant that we occasionally use. DoorDash has ruined the delivery industry.
Good, their pizza is shit anyway.
Who the fuck eats at Pizza Hut these days? Good riddance tbh.
Yeah, overpriced shit imo.
Papa Johns is the only 1 of the big 3 that maintained their quality.
At least Dominos is cheap.
Pizza hut is both expensive and bad.
Yeah, but fuck Papa John’s:
Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter Says Company Will Reduce Workers’ Hours In Response To Obamacare. In the wake of President Obama’s reelection, one CEO is doubling down on his criticisms of Obamacare. Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter said he plans on passing the costs of health care reform to his business onto his workers.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202
That asshat isn’t in charge anymore.
He hasn’t had anything to do with the company for years. His departure coincided with the company updating the menu as well, as he blocked all efforts to expand it.
Once he was ousted, they started offering different crust options (stuffed, ‘NY’ style, etc.).
I mean, fuck all corporations if we’re judging them based on how they maximize profit.
It isn’t even the cost that sucks. It’s the food. The food tastes terrible
Papa John’s laid off people because of Obamacare then donated to the Trump campaign.
PJ is the worst tasting sugar overloaded pizza. Literally inedible.
Domino’s in my region built a dough manufacturing facility and changed their sauce a few years ago.
It’s been good since. Not the best, but absolutely good enough for the guys when watching the game or for a quick meal for the kids when needed.
I like Domino’s. I would go there at least once a week when they had a 3-topping large takeout deal for $8. When they changed it to 1-topping, I stopped going.
Papa John’s is better for quality, but it’s also more expensive. Some locations would have a 2-topping $8 large carryout deal, but they were rare and I don’t think any of them do it anymore.
It’s not delivery. It’s Pizza Hut.
No one out fires the Hut.
