Stranger on the internet: Let me tell you why you are wrong to enjoy this thing and should feel terrible for having the gall to even try.
Also, you cheaped out on buying that entry-level Hobbything 1000. You need to at least buy the expensive 3000 model to enjoy anything.
Yeah 3000 if you’re an idiot, for the price of the 3000 you’d be an idiot not to get the 3000m-ti, you won’t ever use the features but you’d be an idiot not to have them.
There genuinely are cheap versions of stuff (like the Amazon basics hand plane) that suck so much they’ll ruin the fun in something. But if you pick anything with a decent name in most hobbies, you’ll be okay.
this is why I say that “ti” stands for “totally ignorant” please don’t listen to them op, if you haven’t trained up on models 300 to 2300 variants m-nl to qq-pp then you’re probably just going to hurt yourself and your hobbythingcraft
sorry but this is wrong you need to EARN the 3000 I’ve been a fan of Hobbything since I was 8 and even had a Hobbything themed wedding and even I wouldn’t DREAM of using the 1000 until I’d totally mastered Aspect 1, 2, and 3.
That one is just plain truth though. I’ve got a few hobbies like photography, watchmaking, gaming, knives… The cheapest options are never good.
You should always buy more than you think you need at that time. Because if you do grow in that hobby, you won’t be limited right out of the gate.
You just wouldn’t enjoy playing the cheapest guitar, painting with the cheapest paints or cursing the cheapest woodworking tools.
I’ve always bought better stuff than I needed and have never regretted doing so.
As a counter example, I bought a $100 camera from a pharmacy when I was 15 that took low to mid quality photos and I was so happy with it. I learned about focus, bokeh, framing, etc despite having like 6 preset settings, and that got me into photography. Later I bought a low end DSLR and took 1000 pictures a day during the summer.
For wood carving a $60 set of knives was enough to get me into the hobby, now I get to spend too much money on stuff.
Cheap options can be very helpful to find out if you like something.
I started off with a Canon Digital Ixus as the first ‘real’ camera that I bought. Absolutely adored it. A full metal build and about the size of a cigarette packet. I took it everywhere and shot a few vacations on it.
But it honestly wasn’t until I got my Canon EOS 350D that I could actually attempt to really learn photography. Because now I could use manual settings, learn how to use them, use filters, try new techniques, get more creative, etc.
When I needed to invest in something like a flash, tripod or lens I always applied the same thinking: buy it so it can grow with you. Of course, eventually we got full circle and I ended up back at analog photography developing B&W Minox film in my kitchen :D
Anyways, I’ve never regretted buying better, but I’ve definitely regretted cheaping out. So I don’t if I can avoid it.
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Because I take on a new hobby like every five years, and sometimes give up before then, I generally recommend for people like me that you start out with the cheapest possible option and work your way up from there.
But my biggest hobbies are art, writing, fancy writing, preserves, baking, and game dev, so they don’t rely require much in the form of materials
I do hate that whenever I mention I liked an older show I get “oooh, you know about the producer/lead actor/writer right?” And then I find out something awful and depressing.
How was everyone in show business so fucking terrible? Did Satan require a cosigner on any new media produced or something, like what the hell?
As a vinyl collector, it really feels impossible to completely avoid problematic older bands. So many of them pulled heinous shit, and often the bigger they were, the more opportunities they had to indulge their worst impulses. But how can we study history without acknowledging our ancestors accomplishments and failures?
I figure if they are dead, they can’t hurt anybody anymore, and neither can they benefit. Same goes for buying used.
I just accept that myself and everyone likes things that are shit and that’s okay. Criticizing and insulting media for being shit is also fun, but that doesn’t mean anything about the person who enjoys watching it because we all have shit we enjoy.
Yeah, I love the messages and philosophy of Star Trek, but Rick Berman the guy who produced a whole generation of shows was allegedly piece of shit.
It doesn’t make Jean Luc Picard anything bad character, it just makes Rick Bernan a piece of shit.
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Buddy, that’s kind of the good side of fandom. The bad side is all the people telling you you’re a stupid piece of shit if you like X character/plot/episode/whatever. Also, the ones writing the really fucked up fanfic that makes you say, “um what the hell happened to you?”
Those are exactly the ones they’re talking about, except they said fan art instead.
Really fucked up fan art …
They said fan art of characters fucking. That’s pretty normal. Not my thing, but I get it. There are WAY, way worse things people create than that that go way beyond even kinky sex. I’m pretty sure just the tags on AO3 for some of it have scarred me for life.
Queerbaiting is absolutrly a thing, and worth being annoyed at. If a show constantly hints that two same-sex people are gay for each other, then never actually follows through, that’s annoying.
Objection stranger, you are very wrong and have fundamental issues! You’ll never get better.
Also, let me introduce the fan meta which will inevitably ruin the original artistic vision, by popular demand.
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You’re not just wrong for thinking something different about a consumer habit I have, you’re a morally bad person for it too.
On Reddit I just read without logging in. It was nice. I’m trying to help build communities on Lemmy, so I’m posting and commenting.
Since doing that, I’ve been told I’m enjoying my hobby wrong, that my friends enjoy their hobby wrong, the links I researched for a comment thread are wrong (without references to correct info), and that I’m probably wrong about how I want to live.
I know I should have thicker skin, but the slow drip of unfriendliness is alienating.
I wanted to just upvote this and move on, but I feel like that would be a disservice to you because I feel the same way about commenting.
I would say to just ignore the negative comments and continue to post. good people should not tear each other down like you describe. you never truly know who is replying to you, it could be a kid or someone that has some issues that need to be addressed.
I understand its much easier said than done, but training yourself to have thicker skin is like a muscle, just gotta keep going out there and train it lol. good luck!
Thanks. I’ve been blocking unfriendly posters. That’s working pretty well.
You’re not blocking them correctly then, because you’re doing your hobby wrong. /s
PS: Good people don’t criticize others like you’re describing. You’re doing the right thing by shrinking their reach into a list of blocked users.
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I think you’re using lemmy wrong if you’re encountering that much resistance. /s
But seriously what is this hobby that’s so dividing? Are you looking through telescopes backwards or something?
It’s D&D. A game played with friends who have their own likes and dislikes. But sometimes they like the wrong thing.
Haha is this the classic minmaxer vs storyteller divide? Or maybe the serious campaign is being ruined by murderhobos?
There’s got to be infinite ways to enjoy d&d and so infinite disagreements to be had.
I have a motorcycle. It’s a Harley-Davidson. Immediately, everyone is picturing a large and unpleasant looking bearded man riding a huge, noisy, vibrating, chrome bedazzled air cooled motorcycle without a helmet from one bar to the next.
My harley makes about as much noise as a Toyota Camry. I wear full protective gear when riding it, including a bright and attention-getting helmet. It doesn’t get ridden to bars, because drinking interferes with my motorcycle addiction.
The large and unpleasant looking bearded man part is accurate, though.
I never understood the " I’m so badass I’m going to ride without the only thing that can prevent my skull from cracking like an egg" I guess live fast die young, but in the event you don’t die the only way we will know where your mouth is, it will be following the feeding tube.
Anyways safe rides dude.
I mean, some dudes won’t use environmentally friendly grocery bags because they’re afraid to appear “gay”. Some men’s masculinity is oh so fragile. Like a human skull in a motorcycle accident perhaps.
Guys, is it gay to avoid filling your trash can with a bunch of plastic bags?
so gay. can confirm, am half gay. reusable grocery bags is the new “wear white aasics to a planet fitness”
It has been my long-standing belief that a motorcycle helmet can prevent an accident. I’ve had too many things hit my visor while riding. Imagine taking a june bug in the eye with nothing but a set of oakleys for protection.
The bug in the eye is a classic, I just wanted to feel the air on my face.
So we were only half correct.
a-HA!!
I bet you’re at least a little bit pleasant to some people lol
My other half seems to think so.
Easiest way to start hating your new hobby is visiting it’s subreddit.
It’s obvious for video games because you can assume anyone that wants to be active on a specific game sub is probably a try hard that talks about the meta, or max DPS builds, or other annoying stuff. But then you visit something like the carbon steel pan subreddit, or grilled cheese, and you’re continually assaulted with this idea that there are only specific pans and oils that are correct, or that your grilled cheese isn’t actually a grilled cheese because it was cooked too close to an open pack of salami.
Video game communities suck, and it makes playing them worse.
You play an FPS and everyone uses the meta gun at the time, then it gets nerfed and they use the new meta gun. Same with RTS and any other multiplayer game. Somehow StarCraft 1 pulled out a perfect rock paper scissors balance, but nothing else really has that so meta is what people do.
And because everyone is so busy grinding and min maxing, that’s what the game developers design for now, and it sucks the fun out of games because you just grind hours to get some new items to have the best items in the game.
Occasionally game communities are good. The Chivalry 2 subreddit had a bot that would use GPT to answer questions and then on every post go on about how the polehammer is the best weapon in the game, which was so over the top it made fun of the whole meta idea. The Breath of the Wild communities doing crazy rube Goldberg machines are always fun. And I’ll never not enjoy the weird hellscapes people create in the Sims.
then it gets nerfed and they use the new meta gun
OMG, this was what killed overwatch for me. I’m disabled and can’t play games that require fast paced precise and concise actions. So Symetra was my jam. I tried other characters like torbjorn but the all had the same problem. Some 13 yo genji prick would hop circles over my head while my health ticked away and I shot sporadically around at the sky before I inevitably die. But not Sym. All I had to do was backpedal and keep that grasshopper mf’er in my general view. And pop. Pulling him into a doorway with 6 kill lasers was the best feeling the in the world. But that enabled me to be useful to the rest of the team. I occasionally did good enough that I ranked in the top of the match, but I was almost never carried.
And then they nerfed sym because, “nOt EnOuGh PrO pLaYeRs PiCk HeR!!¡!!” No more walking shield. No more turret web. No more over shield for the team. No more wide lock on gun. They turned her into just another precision shooting player. She had a Halloween bag of tricks and they swapped it for a tooth brush.
Isn’t that largely just the case for competitive games?
Last time this happened to me was when I said I liked an experimental musician’s youtube channel cause he has a lot of content about his process etc. Got reamed in the comments by a salty user cause the musician once featured a product in a video made by a brand that it’s popular to hate, yet used by many musicians. One of the most reddit things ever.
The same subreddit heavily discouraged me, in classic reddit style, from getting a product once. I did anyway following my intuition. Then a year later it became the most recommended product for that purpose.
Pet communities are horrible for this
I just want occasional cat photos to roll into my feed, not to hear the virtues of a raw diet versus how crappy the one my vet told me to use!
Here is an actual thing that was sent to me
“If you don’t wash your guineas with unscented coconut oil once a week you don’t deserve to own them.” Like fuck off man
I can just imagine the person writing that with a smug grin on their face, nodding slowly as they finish with a “you don’t deserve to own them” and feeling all good about themselves.
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Like I watched the Musical episode in Strange New Worlds, and really liked it. It was strange but fresh. I laughed out loud at the Klingon part. But then I got online and it was just hate. So stupid. And I’m a HUGE tng fan
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I enjoyed Cyberpunk at launch. Forgive me…
I did too… Even with a handful of weird bugs, it was an awesome experience (on PC)
I played it on ps5, crashes were very rare and the story/gameplay was great.
So did I. I never understand what everyone was bitching about.
Me too
I waited. bought it later and thought it was a poor gta 5 clone. Same with rdr. guess I just don’t like that style of game. Loved witcher 3 though. shrug.
It was a damn good game at launch, and it just got better over time. I defend it always since I had a blast, had very few and only minor bugs/issues, and got a ton of time out of it for the money.
I actually liked No Man’s Sky at launch, but I didn’t watch any of the pre release stuff.
I heard people talking about it and picked up a copy on my way home from work on release day. It was fun got boring fairly quickly.
This is precisely why I don’t give a shit about “weekly episode discussions” and refuse to watch any show until it’s available in its entirety.
I prefer watching at a trickle, but only discuss it face to face. People are generally much more civil when in striking distance
Fandom is like a coin. A coin that has a shiny surface on one side and a dirty, rusty, smelly layer on the other. Some fans can have the passion and diligence to elevate the media while being respectful, while a lot of fans can be just down right hateful because it’s easier to do so while contributing to nothing
For example, Gintama anime subreddit. It is such a pleasant corner of reddit. Everyone just caring about the show and characters and jokes, that’s all. I have rarely seen a hateful comment or post.
Is it still airing? I watched it about 15 years ago, you just reminded me of something long forgotten
It is done. The finale was a movie. And holy shit, it was amazing. It’s definitely worth watching again in my opinion.
Iirc it finished 2/3 years ago
Looking at VTuber fandom out there. Two weeks ago, a famous female VTuber called Ironmouse (who, BTW, has an immune disease and cannot leave her house) won an award, and you know what the fans of other candidates did? They sent her death threats.
Oh boy 😬
VTuber fandom has the extreme opposites. By just being in the Hololive community I’ve seen people being absolute gems and creating content that everyone loves (Kay Yu, Kanauru, 2ManySnacks)… and on the other side people gatekeeping everything, way too parasocial fans, thirst everywhere and extreme tribalism.
If you stop at top comments/posts it’s usually a great experience, you just have to learn to stop scrolling when the toxicity begins.
I only saw hate from people outside the vtuber community, specially on tiktok since people over there already went through a hate wave of vtubers after a popular male one made a concert without having a 3D model. Several people going “who?” afther she won in the live comments.
Star Wars for real.
Ever since leaving reddit I feel like a new person.
The piss-poor treatment of the franchise by Disney has made that one a bit easier for me now. I just don’t care anymore. Maybe I’ll jump back in when another season of Andor comes out, but otherwise I’m just done with the tripe Disney is shoveling out.
There’s decades worth of Star Wars material that Disney had nothing to do with. They can’t even retcon it because their stuff takes place in a separate continuity.
Star Wars fans spending days dissecting the intricacies of a fantasy space opera is highly amusing.
Shit, that’s what they USED to do, back in the good old days. Now, it’s just “WAAAAAH, WAAAAH, WAAAAHHHHH, THERE ARE TOO MANY ASIANS AND LESBIANS AND BLACKS!”
You realize how long it’s been since I’ve seen grown men get to the point of threatening each other’s safety, over whether or not the hyperspace drives in Star Wars are more realistic than the warp drive from Star Trek?
I never thought I’d miss that shit, but I miss it.
Also, like, can I remind everyone of the cantina scene, from the first fucking movie? NOTHING about that scene says “these producers and writers don’t really buy into the whole concept of diversity,”
Motherfuckers, there were two different kinds of blue alien, aliens with actual butt-faces, a WEREWOLF, some guys with insectoid multi-faceted eyeballs, and a guy with an ultramodernist chair for a fucking head. And the biggest asshole in the place was the fat white guy who didn’t like a specific group (droids) and wouldn’t let them in his bar.
But now, some of y’all think “wokeness” in Star Wars is some kind of NEW thing?
Motherfuckers, there were two different kinds of blue alien, aliens with actual butt-faces, a WEREWOLF, some guys with insectoid multi-faceted eyeballs, and a guy with an ultramodernist chair for a fucking head.
I kinda hate that I immediately pictured each of those as I read that.
Me too! I did just watch the movie yesterday, but still…
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There was a canon. Then Disney bought the franchise and has chosen to ignore the set canon.
EC Henry is my favorite in that regard, analyzing and making fan lore on ships that are a couple of pixels in the side of the frame for one shot.
Me and the Apex Legends community
Me: This seems like a cool game, and it’s free, and it’s made by the Titanfall people.
Apex Legends community: Autistic screeching
This rings especially true for Rick and Morty, and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Both are good shows ruined by obnoxious fandoms
I wouldn’t say either are ruined. They just attract some fucked up people. I don’t think any media should be judged based on what kind of person obsesses with it and how they express that obsession.
With those two, you can even laugh knowing the people who make/made those shows don’t think highly of those fans.
I got that sense from the new Star Wars trilogy, too, especially ep 7 where Kylo is an obsessive Darth Vader fan who wore a helmet for no reason and wasn’t nearly as effective as his hero was (he loses a lightsaber duel to someone who hadn’t ever used a lightsaber before and his most destructive action in that movie is throwing a temper tantrum and destroying one of his own rooms).
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I never really got the hype, but I knew a lot of people in the early/mid 2010s that were into it.
I like some manga and anime, but I usually come away with an uncomfortable feeling when I interact with passionate fans of manga or anime. To me, the vast majority is crap, but there are some good gems here and there. Hardcore fans though are all about the most boring or weird shit, and even have a slightly off sense of humor. I’m sure I’d be seen as some filthy casual who just follows the mainstream shit, like how people outside of RPGs only see DnD as the entirety of the role-playing hobby. It’s probably always going to happen between casuals and passionate fans of any topic.
Similar here, I enjoy a few anime and will admit to people I know that I have and do watch anime. I have no interest in discussing it most of the time as I don’t want to interact with weebs or be associated with them.
Helps that I have zero interest in romance or isekai anime, my interest are all based and related around watching a whole lot of dragon ball as a kid so I watch similar things now
Majority of everything is crap, we just get all anime now instead of the handful big hitters that toonami imported.
Check out Gintama subreddit. It is much pleasant compared to other anime subreddits for example. Most posts are just people talking about their favourite storylines, characters and jokes.
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Oh yeah. I did not hang out in Star Trek groups for many years despite being a fan - I didn’t near to hear a million times why Enterprise sucked or Discovery sucks or whatever. I enjoyed both and don’t need to listen to someone screeching about continuity errors or whatever in a fictional TV show.
And they can’t help themselves, more than once I’ve made a comment like this only to have someone reply, “Well, Discovery sucks because blah blah blah!”, and it’s like, “THANKS FOR DEMONSTRATING THE POINT I WAS MAKING. YOU’RE THE PROBLEM. YOU.”
No one hates Star Trek more than Star Trek fans.
I joined a group on facebook that is called “Wholesomeposting” and that kind of shit is not allowed. It’s much nicer that way. The noise level on Lemmy hasn’t been too bad, fortunately…so far.
