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      It still flies over the head of a lot of republicans.

      They just don’t know that, it’s practically a direct translation of hitler’s rhetoric- and they’ve never believe it, even if you show them hitler’s massive speeches.

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    When whatever conflagration that MAGA causes is over, those who survive will have a duty to record what Trump and his supporters were. No Milgrahm experiments to explain why people reflexively obey authority. No excuses about how Trump was so charismatic and could sway and persuade.

    Nobody is being tricked or persuaded. Trump is paradoxically the most transparent politician in American history. He’s no great persuader. Listening to him speak is like watching a drunk man cross an icy street. The truth is LOTS of Americans fucking love fascism! They want people to be harmed and killed. They’ll suffer hardships, and take losses to make it happen. They raise Trump on their shoulders because he tells them what they want to hear. And they’ll happily hoist someone else up should Trump stumble.

    Remember the Dominion lawsuit against Fox reviled that the network presenters were cowed and intimated by the viewership. All these years people like Jon Stewart told us that Fox news radicalized Memaw and Poppop. Maybe all along it was the deplorables that radicalized Fox.

    At some point, people will be standing in the rubble of American cities asking “how could this happen”? Tell them Americans wanted it; Americans voted for it; and Americans gleefully held hands and jumped into the abyss.

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      People want to believe that deep down, most people are good. I believe this to be a lie people tell themselves. No, most people are awful and would fuck over anyone they don’t know if they do much as think it will make them better off.

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        I think you’ve got it twisted. People do awful stuff because they think it’s good. The Nazis thought Jewish extermination was helping. Theirs a Documentary on Netflix about German soldiers tasked with shooting Jews. For most of them it was a horrible ordeal. One of the biggest motivators for continuing was the thought that shirking one’s “duty” meant your comrade was going to have to do it for you. (one of the rationale for the concentration camps was to spare the death squads from PTSD)

        I mentioned the Milgram experiment. If you take psy101 they’re going to tell you that that experiment proved that humans will harm each other for the sake of an authority figure. But that’s not true. Repetitions of that experiment that replaced the lab-coat guy with one wearing a military or police uniform and you went from the vast majority willing to harm people to the vast majority refusing. People weren’t obeying authority, they were volunteers who wanted to help science. They thought continuing a harmful experiment was their duty.

        You’ve probably heard that quote from Fred Rogers about how when something tragic happens, “look for the helpers”. Well, it turns out that many of the people who cause tragedy think they’re helping.

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          Yes, Trump supporters honestly believe that the vast majority of undocumented migrants are criminals and terrorists. They honestly believe that the Democrats are trying to create a Soviet style dictatorship. They honestly believe we need a strongman to rid the country of people who are genuinely trying to destroy it. I know a bunch of them; they think they’re helping.

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        People are good, until they aren’t. That’s the trick: Creating environments where people become more awful, more quickly. Like upgrading your barracks in a RTS game.

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          We’re all still animals following basic instinct. When we feel that our “herd” is threatened, we get ugly fast.

          It’s really easy to play on those feelings.

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        I think it depends on context. If you’re brought up in a wholesome environment with respect and positive values, you’ll realize that living like that is better. If you’re brought up in a cesspool of fear and violence, you’ll think that’s the way the world is, and you’ll behave accordingly.

        It’s not that America is inherently bad, or any particular cultural system. It’s that when a society doesn’t maintain its values and spiritual core, it will rot from the inside out.

        The problem is our society has sold out so much of our community, our education, our values for convenience and corporate greed. This is like what the Right used to blather on about, but they’re to blame for most of the real depravity. In any case, we’re just seeing the fallout.

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      Bruh you cannot apologize for Fox. Their on-air people lie to anyone who will listen every God damn day, why would they stop lying just because they’re under oath?

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      asking “how could this happen”?

      That they won’t do. They’ll simply blame democrats and liberals.

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      “Americans”

      Trump didn’t win the popular vote before and he won’t win it this time either. When he wins he’ll win with a minority of voters, with likely less than 50% of Americans even casting a ballot at all. It’s a very specific subset of Americans that are throwing the rest of us off a cliff.

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    Trump is racist. Big fucking news. His supporters don’t care about racism. They are racists and they see racism as a good thing.

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        But that’s not new either. We’ve been calling Trump a Nazi for the better part of a decade now. These idiots have spent so much time denying that patently obviously fact, it’s become part of their core identity to deny trump is a Nazi, even as he directly quotes Hitler.

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          We can’t reach his base but we can sure as hell pressure people not in his echo chamber.

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    “ Trump is the son, and grandson, of immigrants: German on his father’s side, and Scottish on his mother’s. None of his grandparents, and only one of his parents, was born in the United States or spoke English as their mother tongue. “

    You know, he may have a point.

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      Two of his three wives are immigrants. His in-laws benefited from chain migration. His third son is an anchor baby. None of his supporters are capable of recognizing these facts.

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        Ha, jokes on you for thinking him and his followers think white immigrants are “immigrants”. They use that word because it’s the only acceptable one, but it’s clearly not what they are referring to.

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      Trump is the son and the heir of a dynasty that is criminally vulgar. He’s the son and heir of nothing in particular.

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    Immigration is one of the best solutions to fix rural America.

    So of course rural Americans are going to be against it.

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        Plenty of space and opportunities for revitalization. All they need are people living there.

        I am 100% in favor of expanding immigration with the stipulation that additional immigrants must live in rural areas.

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          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto

          Downvoted for this and the parent comment is upvoted for literally wanting immigrants to be segregated. Wtf is wrong with people here…

          From the wiki article: A ghetto is a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, especially as a result of political, social, legal, religious, environmental or economic pressure.

          This is what the parent comment wants, they want immigrants to be legally bound to certain areas within the country. They want immigrants bound to ghettos.

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      Immigration is the the only solution for all of America. The next few generations are going to be smaller than those that preceded them. Unless you’d like to see massive deflation and the economy reduced by a third or more (you don’t) immigrants are the only workable solution. Japan is staring this problem down right now and has chosen xenophobic and racist policies; it is headed for catastrophe and the world will get to watch in the next two decades what refusing large-scale immigration does to a nation with a strong economy and shrinking population.

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        Ireland too iirc, as it became an Alex Jones talking point for a while that someone in Ireland said they needed 4 million immigrants to prevent similar issues. The person was just using that as a measure, and iirc it’s quite a while in the past so not sure if it’s the same today.

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        It’s not as bad as what people who use the term ‘flyover states’ think.

        It can still be greatly improved, and immigration is the way to do it.

        Just drive through rural America and you’ll see dead town after dead town. Mainstreets with less than 50% of their buildings occupied is the norm.

        It doesn’t have to be this way. On average, each additional person contributing to an economy bolsters it rather than detracts from it.

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          I don’t see unoccupied buildings as a problem to fix. There’s not a necessity for every economy to “boom” - only an economy required to sustain the residents is needed.

          It sounds like you people suggesting these “improvements” don’t understand or appreciate the beauty of life close to nature in low-population rural areas. I don’t want more people to populate my area.

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            That’s cool. A lot of people disagree with you, which is why it’s so cheap to live outside of major cities.

            High supply, low demand. I don’t think Rural America needs to become like Urban America or even Suburban. But to deny that it isn’t decrepit and desolate is just ignoring reality.

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              That’s just your opinion. I love having my own house and land, with no dumbass people making noise and stench all around me. I would not trade it to live in any city in the world.

              What your perspective calls “decrepit and desolate” can also be seen as open and natural. Freedom in its purest sense.

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                No, it’s not “just my own opinion.” I literally opened up with “a lot of people disagree with you, which is why it’s so cheap to live outside of major cities.”

                It’s just your own opinion. Lol. Try not to project onto me.

                These places can be open and natural while still being revitalized. That’s just how much land there is.

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        Stagnant economies, brain drain, lack of opportunity, drinking water contaminated with farm runoff and/or lead, crumbling infrastructure, and lack of funding for education and other government services.

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          That’s a generalization that only applies to some individual parts of rural America, and quite a lot of the rest of rural America is doing excellently with fine infrastructure, clean air and water.

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    I like most of you Americans, but I don’t wanna share the longest undefended border anymore if that asshole is elected again.

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    He said the quiet part out loud. Except it’s no longer quiet. It’s loud and very clear to his base.

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    It’s always funny whenever anyone who isn’t native American says immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country” when anyone who isn’t Native American has been doing that for hundreds of years to them.

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        But if we follow Trump’s logic to its conclusion, white Americans have poisoned the blood of this country for a few centuries now. If he is serious about being logical, he should advocate for all white Americans to go back to Europe. Anything else is just emotion, not logic. It hurts but it’s the truth.

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            In the same way, Indians and the Asians form the majority in the tech sector. Why don’t you please get off the internet that’s been built by “third world people”?