Summary
Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff, in a CNN interview with Jake Tapper, failed to specify any Russian concessions in a potential Ukraine peace deal despite detailing demands on Ukraine.
After claiming a “friendship” with Putin, Witkoff spoke vaguely about “territorial” and “economic” concessions from both sides. He also claimed a U.S.-Ukraine deal on raw earth minerals would be signed soon.
When confronted with Russian state TV footage suggesting Trump’s stance aligns with Putin’s, Witkoff insisted diplomacy requires communication.
His remarks fueled concerns over Trump’s approach to Russia and Ukraine.
He might let us have Alaska. Trump’d probably take that deal.
Their concession is sending someone to listen to the Trump guy.
We all knew the so-called “peace deal” was going to be rough but “US takes this half, Russia takes that half” is a new low even for him.
The EU needs to step up it’s war machine. More manufacturing, more army, more WMDs. If we can’t rely on the US then we need our own.
Sure, all that is expensive, but not half as expensive as not having it. There’s a lot to be said for having a big stick you never have to use.
We all knew the so-called “peace deal” was going to be rough but “US takes this half, Russia takes that half” is a new low even for him.
Its pretty on par, being honest.
I mean, last time, it was Poland.
Weird way to spell capitulation.
Its “Molotov-Ribbentrop”. That’s the term you’re looking for.
Because there aren’t any
Well at least he did not lie then!
President Krasnov is a fucking bitch
Might be.
I remain unimpressed by CNN reporters because he has not asked the most important question: What will guarantee Russia’s adherence to any kind of peace deal?
It’s boring to repost it the Nth time but the 1994 Budapest Memorandum was quite clear about these matters:
- Respect the signatory’s independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
- Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories…
- Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest…
- Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”.
Yet, putin kicked nearly every single point in the memorandum the moment he felt ready. Why would the same leader act differently in the future?
It’s eerily similar in my view to the Abraham accords. Trump negotiated bypassing Palestinians and then we got Oct 7 and the war that spiraled from it. These “deals” are as flimsy as a CyberTruck, but it’s also very trumpy. He gets to act like a peacemaker and then his successor will deal with the consequent shit. Same thing happened in Afghanistan.
*edit: also, if someone wants to be “fair” (i’d rather say naive) one can consider the official Russian narrative, but again that narrative explicitly goes against the Budapest Memorandum, meaning, they are very open about not respecting treaties they sign.
CNN was bought by a right wing shitbag. They are FOX News in a trench coat
While I understand your perspective, the Abraham accords are different because they are deals between Israel and other countries, without including Palestine. Here the deal would be between the main protagonists Ukraine and Russia.
The security guarantees will likely need to be provided by European countries, although Russia seems against having troops from any NATO member country in Ukraine.
they are deals between Israel and other countries, without including Palestine. Here the deal would be between the main protagonists Ukraine and Russia.
That’s exactly my point. The present style of negotiations makes the impression like this was a deal between Russia and USA.
The present style of negotiations makes the impression like this was a deal between Russia and USA.
Because it is.
Agree.
I’m not sure about that. The US Secretary of State met with Zelenskyy in Munich before meeting with Lavrov in Saudi Arabia. There was also a US envoy in Ukraine a couple days ago to conduct additional discussions with Zelenskyy.
For now, the US is playing a mediator role and talks to each side separately.
For now, the US is playing a mediator role and talks to each side separately.
No, the US is trying their own Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Let’s say that there is an honest, clear, standard diplomatic protocol running as you described. Trump’s concurrent activity, specifically mentioned in this interview, sets the tone and not in a positive way.
Yes, let’s wait and see what actually happens.
Well Palestinians were involved with negotiating the Oslo accords, and that gave rise to Hamas anyway. Palestine is a fascist society and as you say there isn’t much point in having an agreement with fascists unless there’s some kind of military force to ensure they follow it. At this point Palestine is just a proxy in Iran’s “Axis of Resistance” and it doesn’t seem like Iranians much care how many Arabs die so long as it hurts their enemies. It makes sense for Arab countries to work together with Israel against their common adversary of Iran. Trying to keep normalized relations between Iran’s adversaries as some kind of motivator in a vain hope that Iran’s proxies will suddenly make a peace agreement separate from the country that’s funding them is a little naive.
With Ukraine it’s the opposite way. It’s Russia that’s the fascist society and yeah, there needs to be military guarantees that they won’t do as Hamas does and just build up their forces and strike when it suits them while ignoring any agreement made.
Oh, man, the white colonialist invader’s propaganda never ceases to be an entertaining parroting of the “it’s the natives whose land we stole and whose children we murdered who are violent barbarians and the real baddies” same line as used way back in the 19th century against Indian tribes in America and the natives of the territories occupied by the British Empire.
“They’re the real Fascists for not laying down and taking it whilst we as a self proclaimed ‘people chosen by <divinity>’ rape them!!!”
Trully, Zionists have Western Values - specifically, the Western Values from two centuries ago.
The point I was making is that you can’t make lasting peace through flimsy one-sided negotiations, but the trump brand of peacemaking is about quick “results” with single-presidential-term durability that solves very little on the long run, just pushes the problems to the next presidential term (which may be his own this time…).
Your comparison of Hamas and Russia doesn’t only lack nuance but blatantly ignores crucial geopolitical differences in worldwide influence, military might, and general motivations, which are all totally beside the point of the present discussion.
Uhh… you brought up how it’s similar to the Abraham accords without any kind of nuance. I added a small amount of additional detail. But instead of accepting your initial comparison lacked nuance, you’re trying to play the uno reverse card which is an immature (and dishonest) style of discussion.
If someone ignores all the cues about the discussion’s context (trumpian peace) let it be implied (thread’s topic; my first post), or explicit (“the point I was making” and beside the point of the present discussion), they shouldn’t complain about the discussion’s style either.
Yewah poor bohy
I’ve seen a LOT of russian/trump, “it’s a mystery if they’re in bed together” type posts for the past few days. It made me pull out the bookmarks from the first term. Here is some ammo if anyone needs it (other stuff is mixed in). Remember, leave the link and depart. If you’re explaining, you’re losing.
“Haven’t they paid enough with the lives of their dear boys?”
Meanwhile Zelensky is saying he’ll give up the presidency in exchange for NATO membership.
Is that a concession? I don’t think he actually wants to be president anymore.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s the correct “deal” to make - it’s the most overt declaration he can make to those who claim he wants to be dictator for life - I just think it’s probably a win/win for him.
Win win win to be honest. It’s just further proof he doesn’t want to be the dictator he’s accused of being.
And further proof he’s the much better diplomat/politician than those who exclude him.
Is that a concession?
It’s absolutely a concession, and a very big one too. It’s a concession to the Trump allegations that Zelenskyy is a dictator. And this bullshit argument was given as one of the reasons he wasn’t invited to the talks in Saudi Arabia.
I don’t think he actually wants to be president anymore.
Doesn’t change the fact that it’s a very big concession.
It might be the correct deal, but it worries me. I can only imagine the people saying he wants to be a dictator are those that want a Putin style election to install another puppet. I know they have to have elections at some point - it’s just a worry!
I highly doubt any Russian aligned party or candidate would win any office. Doubtful they’d survive the election in a place like Mariupol or Sebastopol.
Wonder how we can protect exit polling - that’s how we know Maduro stole so big.
I mean the Ukrainian people are currently fighting against a Russian invasion. This could be a problem in a decade or so. But not anytime soon.
Trump will agree as long as he quits first then pull the rug from under Ukraine.
Even the EU vasals have nothing to say.
Blindly follow the leader, jump when they say. Even let them blow up their cheap gasline and ruin their economy.
Not one peep. And now they are surprised they get no respect? LOL.
What does this guy think he has of weight?
His new US master will decide for him, that’s what happen when you allow your country to be used as a proxy.
As if there weren’t enough examples of US ‘friends’ thrown under the bus.Whoah, you get paid to spout all that or are you volunteering your time?
Frankly, it doesn’t matter how they put it. Any comment that is not praising Zelensky as the most noble leader of the free world or something, will be mercilessly criticized. They might as well just have their fun.
That comment was not criticism of any of Zelensky’s positions or choices. It was word salad of Russian talking points.
I didn’t say it was a critical comment about Zelensky. What I said was that anything anyone says here that is not praising Zelensky, will be criticized with a NATO talking point passion.
What NATO talking points were used in my response or any of the responses to that comment?
yawn, a level of superfluous comment expected from paid nafo trolls.
why are they all so boringfrom paid nafo trolls.
What’s nafo?
He’s not used to typing in English - Russia keyboard.
Wow. Not get your rubels from Pootin? something original from a nafo troll? that’s a first.
your mom
That is demonstrably false with a mere glance at the news headlines.
If it’s demonstrably false then I await your demonstration of falsehood instead of you just saying stuff
see, you’ve got nothing, as always
That’s because there aren’t any.
I think it’s a very fair deal.
They are not pushing for the entire Ukraine.
Ukrainian treatment is very fair - they get full citizenship with pensions and medical etc.Lol. At least you have a sense of humor! This must be a joke after all. Russia invades, is not really winning, and their opponent’s “great deal” is they get to still exist?
Incredible that Trump remains so mad that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize that he’s willing to literally just order an ally to give up so he can claim he made the peace and demand his prize. He really was just entirely broken by a black man being president.
This has nothing to do with obama or peace prizes.
Trump is an agent of putin’s will and he’s carrying out russia’s foreign policy by demanding the full surrender of ukraine.
This has nothing to do with obama or peace prizes.
Oh, you bet it does. Don’t be silly.
Both things can be true simultaneously. 🤷♂️
Along with some other as yet unnamed reasons/causes.
There are things trump does that are erratic, but if you look at his first term and now he always was very consistent when it came to Russia and putin.
Furthering putin’s major policy goals is the main responsibility this regime has. Trump’s personal grudges and feelings are irrelevant in any area as important to putin as demanding ukraine’s surrender.
Most events have multiple influencing causes. But in a hierarchy when the boss wants something, that’s why it happens.
The entire right wing of the country absolutely went off the deep end when a black man was elected president. Make no doubt about it, the Republican party was always awful and on the way to getting worse, but Obama’s election was the the catalyst that drove mainstream conservatives into conspiracy theories and ultranationalistic race identity politics.
Or it really was the Mayan calendar ending. Or not enough dicks out for Harambe.
something like the number if hate groups in the US went up by 6000% under Obama
Oh no, that is too logical. What’s he’s really still mad at Obama about is the 2011 White House Corespondents dinner that Obama roasted him at
The blind leading the lame
Should keep negotiation going, don’t make any deal with Krasnov Trump too early. Always say it is due to US betrayal in Budapest Memorandum.
