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This was me, basically.
I had a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 10 that, by the books, should have been a beast with good Linux support to boot. I tried for so long, but ended up replacing it with a Framework.
The thermal management on the Thinkpad is awful, under Linux at least but by all accounts attributable to the EC itself. Running the most basic workload would cause the CPU to spike for about one second before it would throttle all cores back to 400 MHz where they would stay locked for the next few minutes despite the CPU temps remaining at 50-60°C the entire time.
And it wasn’t just me, numerous reports from all over. This made the system nearly useless. I shared pages of diagnostic info with them and they just seemed completely uninterested in trying to do anything about it.
Spec’d out equivalently, the Framework 16 (without GPU) is no more expensive than the X1 Carbon but with even better Linux support and unsurpassable upgradeability. I’m glad my company was onboard for me to switch.
Ok fuck it.
Tell me why i shouldn’t go for this as my next daily driver after one MBP after another for over 15 yrs. I’m serious.
You shouldn’t buy a framework because you will be robbing yourself of the joy of a brand new laptop every 3 to 5 years because the battery is not replaceable or the WiFi chip went bad and it is soldered in. Think of all the innovations you will be missing out on because you are just swapping parts out like some kind of animal.
Do you think this is some kind of investment or something? Computers are just disposable things that everyone can afford. Why bother fixing things? I just have my butler go grab me a new one whenever I accidentally drop it in the pool while browsing on my floating inflatable chair.
lol. Look at the current state and trend of tech and tell me with a straight face that it’s you who will be getting the innovation. What amazing feature was introduced in the last 10 years you couldn’t live without? How much garbage was introduced just because companies could get away with it because the average consumers PC is powerful enough to not notice the spyware/adware/bloatware running in the background?
Yes, buy the new thing. Consume. Trash. Buy new.
I don’t even value repairability to save a buck long term. I value it because I know I can get my system up and running again ways before I finish setup on a new device.
There have been a ton of innovative hardware and software features. Such as ADs in the start menu, firmware locked parts to the system, always on facial recognition cameras, soldered on ssd storage, windows recall, AI processors, planned obsolescence.
So much innovation in such little time.
I think you might need more storage.
Be me, using my 2011 MBP in 2024
Wow thats a both pricey and monstrous specs (IDK about the proc but seems like a beast too!).
What’s the 3 x 1TB cards? SSDs ??
I’d assume they’re SSDs. Fitting three disk drives in a laptop sounds like a bad idea to me.
Looks like they’re the ones for the expansion slots, which come iirc in 250gb and 1tb options. The ports are modular, and you could forgo one (or three) say USB ports and replace them with memory (or ethernet, SD, MicroSD, HDMI, etc.) And swap them around at will.
Idk what is inside the cards, but there are files out there to 3Dprint a shell for one that can take the guts from a USB thumb drive to act as the same thing, which I’m gonna print soon enough.
What are you going to use 64GB of RAM for?
I work with typescript on a very large codebase. If I have the code editor open and the run a typecheck at the same time, plus some electron apps and Spotify playing, it can easily fill my 32GB of ram, so 64 would be the next cool number to not have to worry about ram ever.
sighs deeply
I love modern software development. “What are you doing with that 32GB of RAM?” “Editing a 6KB text file”
You had me at typescript.
Fuck Electron. I hate that current trend. I like my long battery life and being able to run more than 3 applications on my MacBook Pro.
I will always use the example of how I subscribed to Spotify for a couple months back in 2015 and realized that the app constantly sat at the top of the Using Significant Energy list on my mac and was the reason the fan was so loud. I switched away to Apple Music for that sole reason. iTunes by comparison was very power efficient. It plays music for gods sake. How can you fail at playing music that badly.
For some reason Spotify is even worse than the average electron app. Back when I still had only 16GB of ram (and worked on this same project), running out of ram would cause some random app to close. If I had Spotify open, it would freeze the whole system instead.
Futureproofing it for the next N years? Playing some mad games? Honestly no idea I just thought to take the current top tier benchmark and one-up it.
Edit: on reflection I generally max out my MBPs out of habit to get the longest shelf life possible. Perhaps it’s just habit.
Edit2: if it helps I tend to get a new laptop every 5/6 years. The aim here would be to happily bespoke the hell out of a system and get more than 6 years out of it.
I’m with you on this, especially with regards to RAM. Take whatever seems a bit overkill today, double it, and you have what passes as functional in five years (assuming you keep software updated).
Going overboard on RAM is likely the cheapest future-proofing you can do on a machine when you buy it.
unfortunately it’s a reasonable amount of memory nowadays. I do 3D and print, and I tickle the bottom of my 32GiB more often than not. I’m upgrading soon
IDK about them but I’m running 3 vms and RDR2 at the same time and like 60 Firefox tabs.
You are doing it wrong. Framework is easy to DIY, use that option and bring your own memory and storage. Only get what you need right now, you can always upgrade later when prices come down. Instead of the included charger, get a high quality third party 65W GAN charger. All that gets the cost down to about 1600 with barely any downside. Don’t buy a modular device without using the modularity to your advantage.
This is exactly what I did. I love my framework.
Will it be a legend like Thinkpad in 10years? Probably not. Is it better than 99.99% of unrepairable essentially disposable laptops ? Fucking yes it is.
Actually rational take?? Holy hell
they gotta start selling the framework with that Thinkpad clit, that thing gave me all the skills I needed to make a woman happy
Is the youtuber Investor Linus (tech tips)? If so, what are his controversial politics?
Calling adblockers piracy is one i remember
He also said that he would consider Linus Media Group unionizing a “personal failure,” which is about as good as you could typically expect from a business owner but still not great.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he probably meant that if a business owner treats his employees well, there shouldnt be a need to unionize. But that would mean he fundamentally misunderstands what a union is and why you want one. I dont know which is worse.
Your benefit of the doubt assumption is correct. He has explained it in detail a couple of times. Like you I find it unfortunate and frustrating.
Still, based on some of the numbers they have talked about their employee retention is very good and considering how talented many of the people who work for him are, if it were a shitty place to work that could likely easily find work elsewhere. I have a number of criticisms of Linus and his ADHD snap judgments or out of touch privileged takes, but he still strikes me as someone that does genuinely want to do the right thing that got insanely lucky and had to adapt to a crazy situation no random person off thee street would ever be that prepared before.
His POV on that from what I could tell was that he didn’t want a union to be necessary. He wasn’t opposed to the benefits one would provide, he just wanted to have a workplace where people didn’t need to unionize just to get those benefits.
I don’t support ltt but that’s the weakest (most cope least knowledgeable) argument there is honestly
like that makes sense because by adblocking you are basically receiving “paid” content for “free” (i put quotes bc the site isn’t getting paid unless you click but whatever)
he elaborates to say that he isn’t criticising it, just drawing an analogue, and that he uses one himself iirc
ublock origin+sponsorblock <3 btw
btw my reason for not liking ltt is just that i don’t like the consolidation of media and info sources, and that there’s just higher quality content to watch
I wish more places had the resources to make an equivalent to ltt labs. There’s still rtings which is pretty darn good though.
Last year, the social media manager left and accused LTT of being a toxic workplace with sexual harassment. They also started to favor quantity of content over quality.
They also started to favor quantity of content over quality.
While true before a year ago, at the same time the SMM thing happened, they did some content mistakes, owned up to them and started doing the exact opposite of what you’re saying
I certainly hope so. I stopped caring about them years ago for other reasons. I simply saw that story over the news when it happened. But I could argue that it still took them the departure of their social media manager to realize what they were doing. If she just left without talking about her experience, who knows how they would be today.
the leaving of her and the change in content production were actually seperate issues. iirc she spoke up once the content issues came up. Her problem wasn’t even “just” toxic work schedules/loads, but actual harrasment from someone, which aparently wasn’t properly dealt with at the time
I guess the generous amount of coverage and media attention Framework gets from their videos
Well they do disclose their investment but I dont think it is what they were referencing. It makes sense for them to cover as they have a stake in the company doing well.
This is the first time I’m hearing about Framework. Is it worth it? I’m looking for a new laptop anyway
I guess it depends what you value. I have a Framework 13, first generation. I run Linux on it and really enjoyed putting it together myself (I ordered the DIY option).
I absolutely love their ports. You swap in the ports you want. I normally run a USB C on either side (so I can charge from either side) plus a USB A on each side (the Framework 13 has two slots each side, I think the 16 might have 3 each side?). But I also have HDMI, Display Port, and micro SD in case I need them. I can hot swap them in.
Their guides are awesome. I broke a screen and was able to order another and replace it myself following their guide. When the time comes (probably in the next year or so) I’m planning on upgrading. A bit like a desktop, since it’s been a few years it means replacing the motherboard (what they call the mainboard) and RAM since technology moves on. I"m pretty sure like all laptops the CPU is fixed to the mainboard, but you can upgrade RAM or storage without replacing the whole guts (assuming same slot type). In fact you can buy without some pieces and reuse stuff you have or buy from elsewhere to save some money.
When I eventually do it I’m planning on strapping the old mainboard to the back of my TV as a HTPC (replacing the old dying laptop currently there).
There are plenty of downsides. No touchscreen. I wish the screen was a little brighter, it’s not bad but could be better (might be better with later models?). I replaced the hinges with their more resistant ones but the screen still moves if I carry it around with the screen open (not sure if it’s still an issue on newer models).
I really value the idea of repairability and upgradeability. When I was younger you could swap a bigger harddrive or RAM into a laptop if you had a screwdriver (and sometimes even without), and repairing other parts was also possible. These days you’re more likely to find the whole thing glued together. Framework lets you do your own repairs, and has guides to walk you through every step.
There are probably more downsides, but I do love it and would buy another in a heartbeat. But if there are special things you need then carefully check. For example last I checked they did not have a full size SD card reader module available (though of course you can use a regular external one if you really need to).
