https://sh.itjust.works/post/27122034 Just learned about this today here on Lemmy
Yeah I posted my question a few hours before that was posted, very cool!
I blame the gay panic of the 18th and 19th centuries.
Many people blame Beau Brummel
https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/a26870204/beau-brummell-style-toxic-masculinity/
Fun fact:Charles II of England is considered to be the inventor of the three-pieces suit. At the time, French King Louis XIV ordered his footmen to adopt the vest as a way to debase the new English style.
Beau Brummel’s influence is the reason, though he would have detested the uniformity of it all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Brummell
A good Behind the Bastards on him: https://open.spotify.com/episode/00n2CANk00e5P2L0H348h1
Tap for spoiler
possibly the only non bastard to make it onto a non-Christmas episode
Did they even agree he was a bastard? I vaguely remember this episode. I recall it being pretty tame.
Kind of. A bastard in the sense that he was a major influence to modern men’s fashion and fast fashion as a whole, but otherwise he was really a victim of the system that sought a way out and unwittingly contributed to the very same system, not to mention that he was kind of a jerk.
“An Historical”
This makes my skin crawl. I imagine its what people who hate the word moist feel.
Did you know 3M stands for MOIST MOIST MOIST
Not sorry
We all have those words that drive us crazy. Mine is when people pronounce associate as
asso-SHE-ate.It’s petty. Like really, really petty. But for some reason it grates on my nerves.
Also there’s an Reddit, user named
random_commasor something like that. They leave legitimately good comments but with a few, extra commas in places that really fuck up the flow while reading. It gets me every single, time! I get all frazzled until I notice, the username and realize i’ve been had. Respect to that, person for having such a harmlessly evil schtick.Respect to that, person for having such a harmlessly evil schtick.
That is wonderously harmful evil, thanks for sharing. Im slightly worried im going to start noticing that asso-she-ate pronoun-she-ation.
Time will tell!
In the UK it is not unusual to hear “an ‘istorical” rather than “a historical” so I can - possibly - see where they’re coming from here. UK first letter “h” is going like the French and Spanish version, I.e. silent.
I don’t like how much sense that makes.
But i also am thankful for the framing of it that way cause i think it will stick in my head when I’m reading and be a salve to seeing it spelled out on a page so thanks… Jerk (in a friendly way)
Edit: spelling
Sorry man, english is not my first language so sometimes I make mistakes.
But I searched online and it seems that it’s not totally wrong to use “an” in front of historical, especially in informal writing.
Another user pointed out a pronunciation that helps. Some accents pronounce the H in words more than others, “an 'istorical” does trigger whatever my brain does with the hard H after an.
Also Lacking the ability myself, I only have respect for people that speak more than one language.
Absolutely no need for an apology friend. Its very much a regional thing as well. But having this discussion im sure someone will learn something they didnt know about the world so in a way, we are by having this discussion helping people learn, and i think its good to learn even if its only useful to others witnessing this discussion
Don’t worry OP, you are actually correct in using “an historical.”
Not according to my english teachers, but thats a different discussion and not why I responded
My english teachers taught it and enforcing it might be why, but it strikes a nerve when i hear it. Not sure why its just uncomfortable to process when i hear it (and i “hear” what im reading in my internal voice. As i understand it not everyone has an internal voice, similar to aphantasia)
Added another moist for emphasis.
Side note: humble brag…I speak and moderate periodically at conferences. My friends give me a list of 5 words to slide into my speech. Moist was one of them. That’s the hardest word to just slip into (as it were) a presentation. I was successful.
As someone who didn’t grow up speaking English, I never got why people consider it so annoying as a word.
I feel that is like me failing to understand why pinaeapple on pizza offends many people?
Hows your project going these days, oh is moistly done now
I welcome your punishment. It is well deserved
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nice opinion bro did you make it yourself
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Just because your culture may have a shit history for how they treated women doesn’t mean every other culture was the same.
being treated as an object of reverence to be kept and provided for rather than a person of equal contributions to be given the same status as everyone else, is itself a form of oppression. Consider that “revered and provided for” is also the status of a cat, and while we certainly love those, they arent exactly treated as anything like our equals.
People constantly claim that women have been horribly objectified, while ignoring how men have always been treated by society, where they have no value what so ever other than as a wage slave.
Both those things can be true. One is caused by sexism, the other by classism. Neither negates the other, and implying so is incredibly dismissive.
This very post itself is about how men have had literally no choices at all for formal wear, which certainly wasn’t a poor man’s arena.
The “limited fashion choices for a man to wear” was enforced by men, not women. It’s not the slam dunk argument you seem to think it is. (Especially considering during the same era women couldn’t own property or vote.) Men have had privilege for nearly all of recorded history.
I know you’re just doubling down on your argument here, which is a normal human thing. You should really read up on the topic and see what experts say about sexism. There are lots of good citations in the Wikipedia article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism
Men have always had the freedom to choose what they want to be - for women it’s the fucking bird cage or nothing… now the bird cage is gilded and pretty, but it’s still a fucking bird cage.
Men have always had the freedom to choose what they want to be
You don’t understand anything about our history at all, do you? English surnames (Thatcher, Smith, Fletcher, etc…) are what they are because people literally had no other choice but to work the same profession for many generations.
