Tldr: Remote desktop, Cortana, camera, people app are all getting uninstall buttons.
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HI! I’m Skype!
uninstall
Hi! I’m Skype!
uninstall
Hi! I’m skype!
“Are you suuuuure you don’t want to use Edge? Are you suuuuure you don’t want it to be the default handler for .pdf and .svg files? Are you sure? Are you sure you’re sure? Just in case, we’ll pin it to your start menu again and put a shortcut to it on your desktop. Just until you’re sure.”
Apple’s starting to get more and more into this. Safari pesters you and nobody wants NEWS/Stocks/AppleTv App, Weather, etc. But you can’t uninstall them :(
I was able to uninstall all of the apps you just mentioned on iPhone just to cure my curiosity.
Which Apple device is not letting you uninstall those apps?
MacOS not iPhone. Should have specified
No worries! I was just a little confused when I tried it on my iPhone and it worked.
Yes but you can bury a “CrApple” folder on the last page
I can always count on at least one idiot to mention Apple in a Microsoft hate thread.
I think you should go back to Reddit if you want to engage with people like that just crazy right out of the gate
Ew, a gatekeeper.
I got so annoyed with the fucking shortcut reappearing that I put it in one corner of one monitor that I hardly look at so it never appears on my main desktop monitor.
Just out of sight and out of mind.
I put it in one corner of one monitor that I hardly look at so it never appears on my main desktop monitor.
lol I did the exact same thing. That and all the unnecessary crap my work installs that I will never use but can’t even uninstall the damn shortcuts they slap on my desktop are all jammed in the corner of a monitor off to the side.
And then they made it where you can’t just select a different browser, you have to go manually associate each type with the new browser.
I never got unwanted stuff back after update.
Its seemed… better lately. But I used to get skype back every single update when 11 first came out.
Do you have a pro or enterprise license?
Why remote desktop? I can understand the rest. But who uninstalls default apps and doesn’t use remote desktop?
Very few people use remote desktop.
Very few people bother removing all the default apps in the first place.
The type of high caliber nerd to care about a pre installed app that sits dormant and uses a few MB of storage probably already uses remote desktop often enough they’d want to keep it.
I would have used it but it’s only available on Pro/Enterprise versions. But that led me to finding Parsec so all ended well.
I agree with that “and”
Remote Desktop is dead. Azure killed it. TeamViewer is the replacement (and yes you have to pay for it) or you pick another third party vendor for your RDP needs.
The only exposure I have to windows now is in an Amazon virtual environment so I want aware of this. It seems strange seeing as RDP is a simple and robust solution… Unlike TeamViewer.
People still use team viewer?
I do, though it’s rare lately. What do you use instead?
A VPN and RDP.
Scammers notably of course, but it’s Microsoft’s sanctioned solution to them removing RDP capability with Azure. I’m super interested in finding out what cut they get or how much TeamViewer payed for that.
What about FUCKING TEAMS
PS> get-appxpackage *teams* | remove-appxpackageI love PowerShell
If lemmy had gold I’d give you some
I’m glad there’s no gold. I’ll still tell you what I told people about buying gold. Go make a donation to a charity instead.
I like fsf.org, saf.org, or gunowners.org
You could always uninstall Teams and still can, regularly via the Settings app.
Fun fact, if you have Teams uninstalled, hitting Windows key + c will conveniently install it again. Yay!
I think the list of “apps” (AKA junk) people would actually like to deinstall is quite a bit longer.
How about uninstalling edge? It is only needed to download Firefox, anyway.
Wait, so of the five apps they will “let” you uninstall now, one makes little sense to have in the consumer edition (remote desktop - which is effectively enabled in Pro only) and one is getting deprecated (Cortana - bye bye!).
The remote desktop they are talking about is the client app used to connect to remote systems.
The remote desktop feature that’s limited to Pro is the ability for the system to receive remote connections.
What the hell is wrong with remote desktop and the camera app?
Nothing. But having the option to uninstall them like any other app is nice for whenever it might be relevant.
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Great!! I thought they’d never do it!
Let’s cut the crap: it’s not that they “realized” nobody wants it – it’s that they’ve come to accept the blowback against their reputation has gotten too big to outweigh the potential pros of preinstalled bloatware supporting their strategy.
Do you think titles like that are a result of a severely myopic mind, unable to even comprehend why a corporation would willingly do something that their users dislike, or just clickbait?
I think it’s a soft heading - they could be more honest and blunt, but a history of reporting like that may jeopardize any relationship they might have with Microsoft - with regards to press releases or advertising money and stuff like that.
I don’t find it plausible that the people at pcmag, who’s reported in this domain for a long time, can’t see past such light corporate fuckery.
The title suggests that Microsoft has come to a conclusion that nobody wants their inbox apps, which is not the case according to the contents of the article. This title would have been true if Microsoft had come with a statement saying that “according to user feedback blabla we have decided to add the uninstall option”. The reason might as well have been technical but this is yet to be disclosed. The term bloatware can also be seen as subjective as we normally define software that we personally don’t have any usage of as bloat, the fact that nobody will uses it is highly unlikely. So I would say that the title of this article is misleading and quite opinionated, most likely because the author is upset about the bloat in the Windows OS he is experiencing.
Snarky anthropomorphization primarily serving clickbait and liability-limiting, I think, pretty clearly.
Really, the headline could just be “Microsoft To Allow Removing Preinstalled Apps”, or “Bloatware Apps will be Removable After Windows 11 Update”, or something like that. But the way they worded it lets them both sound more sarcastic to people who are pissed off by the scummy practice, and at the same time also sound plausibly less direct in calling Microsoft out.
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Realized?? They knew all the time, and didn’t give a shit.
It’s more likely that they have pushed too far, and users are pushing back. They will dial it back a bit, and hope people forget.
Using Windows primarily for gaming, I eventually got tired of some of the issues I had with it (ads appearing in the start menu). I gave Linux a try and it was so so for a while. I kept going back and forth but it’s been 2 years now and I haven’t had Windows installed and can play 90% of my games without issue. I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone. But for those that primarily use their computer for gaming and non-windows specific applications (like web browsing or other various things), Linux is offering some competition for desktop people.
linux seems to work pretty well until it doesnt and then it really doesnt work. seems that there’s still some hardware incompatibility issues
I agree completely. I’ve been lucky enough to have only an issue where Steam keeps my computer from sleeping regardless of power save settings. I’ve had friends that have tried the same set up as me, and for some reason the computer fails to boot after a simple upgrade (apt upgrade). So I really do mean it when I wouldn’t recommend it. But if someones feeling adventurous it can be fun to try out and see if it works for you.
What games fall into the 10% that don’t play?
(Genuinely asking–I’ve been considering the switch.)
Some games use kernel-level anticheat. Unfortunately, because there is a kernel driver involved, it must be specifically ported to Linux, and some developers simply don’t want to bother.
examples: Valorant, Roblox, PUBG
I think they never heard about “never trust user input”
It’s mostly going to be games that use anti-cheat software (though some work on Linux.)
So if you’re someone who likes to bounce around to the hot new competitive online multiplayer title then Linux probably wont serve your needs right now. If you can’t think of a single esports title you want to play, once you install Steam and Lutris you’ll probably find nearly everything you want to play works.
That’s awesome news for me then, I hate PVP. Mostly do RPG stuff and things like Crusader Kings III, Rimworld, Stellaris, etc.
Are you (or anyone else) aware of how things like No Man’s Sky might run, or the new Baldur’s Gate, or (if anyone can make a guess) Starfield?
I run No Man’s Sky on Nobara Linux, installed it on my old laptop that barely gets by on Windows. Really breathed new life into it and I haven’t had troubles.
Just installed it on steam after checking the box for proton compatibility. You might need to run a task kill command if it gets stuck in a DirectX install loop on launch but other than that it’s been smooth sailing for me.
I can say offhand that No Man’s Sky put a lot of extra time and effort into their Steam Deck support so that definitely works. Otherwise your best bet is to check either the Steam listing for a game (check the Deck Verified rating. Anything rated “playable” or “verified” should work pretty seemlesly on any Linux gamingPC) or https://www.protondb.com/ (a user run listing of the compatibility of different games. A good resource and often has some troubleshooting advice. Unfortunately it can often have outdated or just inaccurate information as it’s all based on user reports. Still usually a pretty good indication of compatibility.) There’s no indication on either regarding Starfield compatibility. Given that it’s probably too resource intensive for the Deck it may not get as much special attention from Valve as something like Elden Ring (which ran better on Linux than any other platform after it was out for a few days and Valve had added a patch to Proton to fix an issue that the developers took longer to patch in the game itself.) Chances are pretty good it’ll work though (assuming your hardware can run it.) The Steam page for Baldur’s Gate 3 says it’s Steam Deck Verified so it’ll just work so long as you launch it through Steam. Here’s the protondb page for reference https://www.protondb.com/app/1086940 . Crusader Kings III, Rimworld and Stellaris apparently all have native Linux ports so, while you may find reasons to prefer running the Windows versions with Proton, you don’t actually need to check for any special compatibility. They just are Linux games.
It really sounds like I’ve been sleeping on recent Linux compatibility then. I remember back in the days of Wine it seemed more a PITA than was worth it.
Thanks so much for the in-depth response!
Yeah Steam/Proton and other tools like Lutris make it so you don’t really even have to touch Wine for most stuff, it’s all taken care of for you. Gaming on Linux has come a long, long way in the last few years.
Well, Proton is a patched Wine. Nowdays many games support Linux natively.
Proton also includes DXVK.
Unless that “hot new competetive title” is CS2. CS2 runs on Linux natively.
Mostly games with anticheat or very new games. Everything else pretty much just works especially older games. I needed to visit pcgamingwiki all the time to get older games to work on windows but for linux I mostly just visit protondb and find out I don’t need to do anything or need to just put in launch command. System shock 1 was the only game I had to actually go through a process to get it running with audio.
I mean, System Shock is old enough that even on Windows you probably had to futz around with it to get it working, lol.
The biggest one I miss, and it works, but the anti-cheat keeps me from my favorite servers is anything from the Red Orchestra series. I really enjoy their newer game Rising Storm 2 but the vast majority of the servers are protected with an anti-cheat that keeps me from joining. I’ve found a couple servers that don’t use the anti-cheat and I can play on those, but they’re not quite the same as some of the servers I have as favorites that are playable on Windows. Otherwise, most things generally work good, biggest problem is with launchers, and even those can be bypassed or fixed, but I’ve gotten to the point in my life where I just want things to work without having to remember what config files I’ve changed or futz with that may break in the future. The other games that I’ve had that don’t work may as well now, but honestly I’ve forgotten what they were. One that I don’t play, that I know a lot of people do is Destiny and I saw that they’ll ban you if you try on Linux. But I’ve only heard that as I haven’t played that on PC.
Games using Easy CheatEngine (or something like it)
EAC (Easy AntiCheat) works just fine on Linux as long as the developer enables it. There are very few anti-cheats that don’t work anymore. The ones that aren’t as big like Vanguard, which is Valorant’s anti-cheat, don’t work, but Battleye, EAC, and VAC works just fine.
Check out protondb.com for a pretty great resource in what games work/kind of work/don’t work on linux (with proton specifically, which is how most people play Windows games on Linux). It’s far more accurate than even Steam’s own “verification” system for Steam Deck.
It’s pretty amazing what they’ve done with it over the past few years.
The ads in Windows 11 are a dogshit feature, but you can turn them off in the settings.
Yea I’ve always found that complaint odd. I just assumed everyone who makes it also has the activate windows watermark, and thus can’t access the option.
I would but the only thing holding me back is the lack of HDR support in Linux. Windows 11 is currently the only desktop OS to implement it properly (10’s HDR is a joke), so I’m stuck with it
Great point. I still don’t have an HDR monitor but that could be nice. Plus, if everything’s working for you no need to switch it up! It’s great that Microsoft is adding the ability to remove some of the programs a lot of people don’t / wont use without having to copy and paste powershell commands. I remember there were some scripts / instructions on how to uninstall what would otherwise be uninstallable programs by opening a powershell as an administrator. I don’t have anything against Windows, I just got tired of having so many ads put into my start menu and ads in the weather widget they added to the task bar after I paid $100+ for the OS way back when. But I’m not sure how their handling the “price” of Windows now.
They’ve always realized, they’ve just never cared.
They did care, they just cared about the money instead.
That, and stop dumbing down the UI. Gradeschoolers in 1999 could operate windows, it doesn’t need to get dumber
1999 gradeschoolers not today’s Gradeschoolers with win98
it’s crazy to think that you can’t just uninstall some apps in the first place even though it would be technologically possible
This is all so foreign to me now. I’m not forced to keep anything on Linux.
How to tell if someone uses Linux? Don’t worry they will tell you.
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let me know if you want to hang out and jerk off sometime
You know what, I don’t want it to end either. Its great entertainment, both the Linux circlejerkers constantly shoehorning Linux everywhere, and the responding circlejerkers making fun of them, as if the former doesn’t wear it like a badge of honor. Its circlejerking all the way down. A downwards-helix-jerking if you will.
I use Linux btw.
A vegan, Linux using crossfitter walks up to you. What do they tell you about first?
I use Arch btw?
Seems pretty appropriate in a thread complaining about an operating system.
How to tell if someone uses Windows? Don’t worry, they will loudly bitch about how it sucks then proceed to shit on Linux users.
(This isn’t you it’s just something I’m seeing a lot more often lately)
Because you’re fucking insufferable, that’s why.
It should tell people something that so many Linux users are happy enough with it to want to talk about it.
Computer OS veganism.
Unlike veganism though it is actually correct
What is “incorrect” about veganism?
Nothing actually, I was just making a stab at vegans because they get so much flak lol.
I actually think the choice to go vegan is awesome, really it’s the ones that just shit on others that rubs me the wrong way, a good bit of Linux users do this as well. Personally I would never use windows unless it was absolutely necessary (I am a DJ and Producer in my freetime and I had a “pooprietary” controller that only worked with traktor, but now Mixxx has support for it so we cool now)
Even then, whenever I did have to use windows for that specific use case, I had it on a dedicated machine running an extremely stripped down version of windows (ameliorated) and it wasn’t a machine that I connected to the internet.
That being said though, I seriously respect people’s freedoms and even if I have different ideas or opinions than someone else, I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong unless it could harm them or something like that.
That being said though, and this could just be me, I think going vegan would be more difficult than switching to Linux in today’s day and age. With Linux you just need to find alternatives and integrate them into your workflow (there’s layers to that of course). With veganism, you have to inspect every single product to make sure it doesn’t contain animal products (which also has layers to it).
Hell with Linux, you can even use WINE to use windows programs, veganism doesn’t have anything like that! You can’t just wrap a cheeseburger in lettuce and call it vegan!
It’s honestly pretty awesome, genuine vegans are really strong people, and although the radical ones had put a sour taste in my mouth at first, over the years as I learned the hardships of their way of life, they definitely have earned my respect!
Article on subject
Someone brings up something relevant to the subject
REEEEE
I mean it’s relevant to windows like taco bell is to McDonald’s.
Plenty of people here don’t use windows so I guess you don’t want diverse discussion on a niche site. Okay makes sense.
Not even systemd?
I just googled “Linux distro without systemd” and google gave me a list of 11 right off the bat without even having to click any links. So yeah, not even systemd.
You can just install another init system
I’m not forced to keep anything on Linux
KNoteshas entered the chat…Edit: apparently it’s not
KNotesproper - just the built-in KDE sticky notes applet that is bundled with the environment and is impossible to remove if you want to use KDE Plasma.I have KDE and I don’t even have KNotes on my laptop. What do you mean?
Updated my comment. Apparently it’s not
KNotesproper but a simpler version of the sticky note applet bundled with Plasma. I tried finding ways to remove it, but the consensus seems to be that you can only suppress its activation, not remove it completely.
I don’t give a shit, I’ll use other programs to uninstall whatever I want.
Call me when I can use a vertical task bar. Until then, I’m sticking with win10.
linux intensifies
It’s the integrated AI spying on you that is real concern
#everythingisainow
Wait: They are saying you can remove the Remote Desktop client? You mean the client you cannot use to connect to a Windows Home license because you cannot run remote desktop without a higher license?
Interesting flex there Microsoft.
feels like a bit of a strawman.
arguing that you can’t use the client without the license for the server… on the same machine, is silly. There’s tons of utility with the client even if you don’t have the server license locally, especially if you ever use the Remote Desktop Client remotely.
Yeah, read what I am commenting on: Microsoft is letting you remove it. Seems like it is a handy item, certainly not as annoying as an ad or anything. And I also am commenting on how it is so useful, why do they ban the server from their home product?
This just seems like a really weird item to say: finally! you can remove the RDP client! Just like nobody ever asked for!
Lmao
If I could also get the ability to disable internet search results from the start menu that’d be great. So sick of looking for a file or app, hitting enter a second too soon, and having Edge slowly eat my resources to display a Bing search result that I never wanted.
That is fixable via regedit, I believe.
But yeah, I’ve recently fully migrated to Linux and can run Windows in a virtual machine if I ever need it for work. In setting that up, it made me realize just how much junk and telemetry is included by default in Windows 11 and how sluggishly it runs compared to Linux.
What version on Linux is most like Windows? I’m not a gamer and nearly everything I do runs in a browser so compatibility isn’t going to be an issue, but any time I’ve tried to migrate over it’s been a nightmare of weird errors and non-stop troubleshooting
Wish there were simple answer to that question, however it really comes down to do the preferences of the individual user.
First thing you should do is decide which desktop environment you’re going to use. This, after all, determines the workflow and the feel of the UI.
None of them are exactly like Windows, so it’s hard to say which one is “most like” it. People at this point will typically say Cinnamon or KDE Plasma, but as someone who prefers a keyboard-driven UI, Gnome felt the most comfortable for me when I first ventured into the world of Linux as a Windows user.
To be honest, the best thing to do is to try out different Linux distros in a virtual machine or Live USB so you can see which one feels most natural to you.
Some good starting ones are:
- Linux Mint (Cinnamon)
- Nobara (Gnome & KDE)
- OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (Gnome & KDE)
- Pop OS! (Gnome)
Plenty of good info there, thanks for the thorough response. I’ll probably go the live USB route, which I’d forgotten was a thing. That way any hardware issues should be apparent pretty quickly
Use everything to search. It just works and can replace the search button in the start menu
You can turn that off in Group Policy if you have the Pro version of Windows.
Windows 11 Pro, now with NOTHING installed. Windows 11 Pro plus, now with firefox pre-installed so you can clame your system never had edge on it!
They always knew. When the time comes they’ll force everything back with even more bloatware and even less freedom to choose because that’s the corpo way. This is just another long-term power grab.
Yeah agreed. They’ve been pushing this (and losing) since the days of Windows phone. We don’t want the phone and we don’t want the apps.
I’m a CG artist and I dual boot Fedora on my workstation and run it on my file/license server. I’m very familiar with Linux and it’s great for a lot of things.
A ton of my software runs much better than on windows and I would stay in it if I could, but unfortunately I have software needs that don’t run on Linux and can’t work in a VM in full capacity.
I’m sorry, but “I dual boot Fedora,” has to be one of the most hipster/nechbeard sounding phrases I’ve ever heard. Not to besmorch your choice at all, just the way it sounds is hilarious.
I’m sorry, but “I dual boot Fedora,” has to be one of the most hipster/nechbeard sounding phrases I’ve ever heard.
First of all, if you want to insult someone, at least get the spelling right.
Secondly, there’s nothing “nechbeard”-y or hipstery sounding about it at all. It’s a tool. You use tools to do work.
If you want to assign some weird social construct to it to validate your own choices, that’s fine. Just keep those opinions to yourself because no one cares about them, and they make you look small.
When I said I don’t besmirch the choice, I meant I didn’t think it was actually pretentious or obnoxiously awkward, etc. The phrasing just made it sound like a bit a tech-minded comedian would do to mock such people. I don’t think they are actually a hipster or a neckbeard, nechbeard, or neckbread, just that the wording was funny.
