I hope not. Jennifer Hale is amazing. She’s the reason I’ve never played as male Shepard in mass effect. She also voiced Bastila in knights of the old republic. Incredible skill/talent.
Do one maleshep run. I promise he has some great deliveries too.
Right? Femshep is amazing, but people are sleeping on maleshep. ‘we’ll bang, okay?’
Mark Meer is great, and definitely worth playing thru to experience. Not quite at the same level as Jennifer Hale’s performance, but it was still absolutely brilliant.
Still, I hear this every time I hear Shepard talk to Dr. Chakwas.
How do you play through that tripe twice? It has next to no challenge and the story is beyond stupid.
She was also a Spartan in Halo.
And Kyoshi and June in Avatar the Last Airbender.
Hale is an incredible VA and she has had more roles than there are grains of sand.
It’s also funny when she voices multiple characters in the same game like Killer Frost and Hawk Girl in Injustice.
The biggest thing companies want to do with AI is infinite cheap content. They want generate a movie or other entertainment for a 10th or even 20th of the cost while burning a state’s worth of energy. They’re going to try and generate a successful movie from models that are trained on previously successful movies. And, they’ll get it.
At least at first. Eventually, even we’ll burn out from endless selection of predictable movies and other entertainment. And, I’m not talking just once a year. More like once a month. At some point, hopefully sooner rather than later, they’ll learn that the attention economy is not infinite. There is a limit of people, time, and money. They’re putting most of their eggs in the this basket and I hope it smashes to pieces.
AI isn’t here to improve anything. It’s here to open a path to infinite growth. Infinite entertainment, infinite weaponizing, infinite whatever. More predictable, infinite growth. Problem with that is that we’re slowing as a race and sooner or later it will start shrinking. The more they try to take, the quicker this is going to happen.
Sure. Let’s protect the proper culture. Like Fast and Furious 10, or the 60th marvel superhero movie rehash :P
Yeah modern “blockbuster” movies and “AAA” games might as well be AAi generated.
we’ll burn out from endless selection of predictable movies and other entertainment
We aren’t already doing that? Even without AI, most of today’s writers suck ass, and corporate meddling has stomped out risk taking. Writers have no chance to build experience with good shows with longevity. With no risk, there is no creativity.
All of the good series were ones from cable TV. Breaking Bad, Sopranos, old Star Trek, Mr. Robot, Babylon 5, House, Rick and Morty, Game of Thrones (even if it ended badly), Better Call Saul, The Expanse (which died immediately after it switched to Amazon), Gravity Falls. About the only streaming series I really enjoyed was Loki, and that only lasted two seasons. Anything else might have a good first season, but they chop out any sense of character development by making these season 6-8 episodes long. No episodic content. No character development. Just go go go towards the seasonal end goal. And then get cancelled, because they didn’t get a chance to shake out the mediocre ideas and improve their direction. Can you imagine Star Trek:TNG being represented by only their first season, and then cancelled as a result of that?
All of the recent good movies were from directors that had a chance to take risks back in the 2000s, and are now given full creative control to do what they are good at. Dune was a great movie, but it simply adapted the source material, and was given enough budget and resources and creative control to Denis to produce what it needed to be. How many good directors will be left when the old guard retires?
All of the good games are from indie series now. Concord is being getting review-wrecked and shat on, while people focus more of their attention on an fucking asset-flip game about a squirrel with a gun. All of the good bigger studios are gone, fully absorbed into the Microsoft/ZeniMax/WB/EA empire. Only the first or second-time indie game developers are the ones producing good games.
Hell, at this point, maybe AI would do a better job than the shit that’s out there. I doubt it, though. It’s too half-baked right now.
I am waiting for an AI model and corresponding tools to generate my own anime and manga. No more stupid open endings, no more infinite story they stop producing because who knows, no more “I was in the same room as a girl, OH NO! Someone might have seen me, I’m so embarrassed!”.
I almost wish I could take existing anime, put it in a machine and make it better. That should actually become a thing, use AI to make your favorite TV shower more to your liking. Someone needs to create this. Bad ending? Fix that. Bad dialog? Fix that. Change gender on all characters? Fix that as well. Foul langage? Easy.
99% sure she voiced McGinnus in Deadlock.
Is it the voice that makes the character, though? Can I take any middle aged Stanley type from the office and get the ai to place the voice as the next Taylor swift? Is it then actually the original character/ actor? Why not just synthesize the looks according to whatever teenage adolescent fantasy the marketing department wants and fully program the character, i.e. a fully artificial actor, instead of basing it off some persons looks? The former cannot possibly have legal repercussions, but if the latter, by all means, protect the actors rights and likeness from abuse.
I think the studios still need the actors to perform the characters, because the ais can’t emote. But once they can, it’s over for the actors
The only protection we could possibly have HAS to be implemented by the government, look how Germany handles their workforce. They have a worker’s council, you can’t just lay off people or fire tons of people nope. Workers are protected. Here in the USA, people are just servants, building pyramids, and then tossed to the street.
My idea: if a company employs over 50 employees, it should be ILLEGAL to outsource any job overseas, or replace them with AI. Example, voice actors. Should not be legal. Small studios / indie, should be perfectly legal since these are individuals that struggle to get started.
Your idea is one of the specific reasons many companies try to label everyone as an “independent contractor”. Especially people like voice actors are not “employees”, and thus do not count as such for your idea.
Yeah, and unions would change that. Negotiating to ensure that people are hired as full-time employees with benefits, not as independent contractors or consultants with no rights, and finally be treated as human beings.
Disppointed there are no insert
Greedy Corpo:
“Aah yes, 👐 A.I. 👐 we have dismissed those claims”
Jokes aside, at least in regards to Mass Effect both voice actors bring something to the game for me
Although, I admit female shepard is consistently better throughout the triology, male shepard has his charm as Mark Meer improved on his performance throughout the trilogy. The human element can do much to elevate a weaker performance and in its own way leave a stronger impact, at least for me.
The Elcor are really where the series shines for depth of acting.
Emotional; this was my favorite game series for a long time. Excited; hopefully the upcoming one will live up to the series’ name.
To be fair the greatness of experiencing Elcor Hamlet was intended to be seen through his actions not emotions.
[Regretfully and with much sorrow] One cannot truly experience it in its 14 hour splendour
[Restrained Optimism and sadness] It will be a different game considering the people behind it and the aftermath of the trilogy. [Wistful Contentment] Having the next Mass Effect have some grounded world building and, if need be, mix elements to a compromise of old and new
Elated; Elcor Hamlet was the first version I truly understood.
[Indubiously] Forta would be filled with pride knowing that. [Bewildered] Imagining having to script all of Hamlet with all that pretext
Idk. Like, I’m sure some of you have seen the most recent gen-AI stuff, but its like, un-fucking-canny.
I don’t know where this all goes, but its happening so fast, I’m sure legacy institutions like unions are going to struggle to keep up.
Yep. Imagine 10 full years from now. Not long in the span of a career.
10 years? Bruh 10 months. I saw some stuff recently that was image gen, and there is not a fucking chance I would be able to say it was or wasn’t generated. Like I do some aspects of this shit for a living and I’m fucked.
Code generation, image and video generation, voxel generation, voice generation.
We’re fucked. This is like, seeing the iceberg in that minute before it hits on the titantic.
I think it won’t be fully “entrenched” and “corporate” I’m 10 mo but point taken. They’re certainly striving for it
Yes, we should prepare for the coming of AI. However, we overestimated the rate of AI development. Iirc 80% of investors lost money from investing in AI companies because the technology is not up to scratch yet. I mean, how many people asked something from ChatGPT and gave you wrong answers frequently?
As a general intelligence tool yeah it’s not good. But for gemerating art or replicating voices, it’s much more usable, especially when you can spend some time tweaking it a bit or making small changes to the output to get close enough to what you want. If that process is cheaper than hiring real people for the job (or if it’s faster) that’s going to be a huge motivator for producers to cut jobs.
I think reasonable people know it won’t work like that and ultimately you can’t make this stuff without humans.
The real answer is remembering that ALL of this stuff, even the farms full of AI running Nvidia cards are RUN BY HUMANS.
The “means of production” (I’m sure that won’t piss brigaders off) is still controllable by the masses.
Like wake the fuck up. Either you sleep walk into a few decades long mess of boring LLM stuff and destroyed commercial art. Or you form unions at every level.
Right from the power company that cuts power to poor areas to power server farms or the developers at EA writing the pipelines for LLM training.
Every single group needs to say no or stop or whatever.
It’s totally possible. Anyone that tells you differently is stealing from you and destroying your future.
https://cwa-union.org/ here’s one to start…
Anyone one of you reading this that could get affected by this (can’t think of anyone who isn’t honestly) needs to stop and take 20 mins to find something to do about it, or you’re just complicit by inaction. (And in my mind a shitty person)
I have sympathy for voice actors, the situation is obviously complex for them. But, and I’ve said this numerous times to numerous people, AI voice work is probably going to end up being cheaper and much more voluminous. That’s exactly what developers need for procedurally generated games where they want to see “all” of the characters voiced.
I’m not saying anyone should try to use AI to voice main characters in standard video games. However, this isn’t about standard video games.
The fact is, mass voice work in procedurally generated games is something that can only ever be accomplished with AI.
The whole Rogue-like genre is constantly evolving. And yeah, a lot of the development is bad. If you’re in that scene, you probably know what I’m talking about - lots of dead end projects, lots of pointless feature sets, lots of pointless busywork being disguised as game mechanics, slot machine nonsense, etc, ad nauseam. Nonetheless, AI generated voice work is obviously going to be used there at some point.
I have a hard time believing that a lot of people are going to lose their jobs to AI voice work. The voice work generated through AI is not comparable to what people can do. Again, that isn’t the issue. The economy is in the dumps, and AI is the only way to afford voice work for games that are designed around procedurally generated voice work.
You can be upset at losing your job. But, throwing a wrench at a wrench because you think the wrench is screwing you, is just stupid. Corporations might screw you. But, the technology itself is just technology.
Congrats, you completely missed the point. Maybe read the actual article, before going on a rant that’s only tangentially related?
No, I know what the article is. I’m talking about the conversation of AI voice work in general as tangential to the topic.
Maybe don’t be so presumptive or act like an indecent asshole to people just because they aren’t parroting the same shit you are?
That’s good. A game can’t hold an unlimited amount of NPC interactions, and just get repetitive. Ai isn’t taking your job if it’s not possible for you to give me endless dialogue.
Honestly an AI voice might be better than the male commander Shepard voice. That game is such slop.
I’m Commander Shepard, and this is the dumbest comment on Lemmy not to come out of .ml
I’m commander Shepard and this is my least favorite comment on Lemmy
Voice work as a career is dead. The genie is not going back in the bottle. Games can now have substantially more dialog, so the end product will be better and cheaper for the studios.
Cheaper? yes. better? No. LLMs produce the most derivative inane BS that it would just act as filler. In classic RPGs and adventure games a lot of the filler dialogue was one line per NPC to represent a microcosm within a location. There’s nothing to be gained from theoretically infinite NPCs with theoretically infinite lines of pointless dialogue.
