US president also to seek constitutional amendment to limit immunity for presidents and various officeholders

Joe Biden will announce plans to reform the US supreme court on Monday, Politico reported, citing two people familiar with the matter, adding that the US president was likely to back term limits for justices and an enforceable code of ethics.

Biden said earlier this week during an Oval Office address that he would call for reform of the court.

He is also expected to seek a constitutional amendment to limit immunity for presidents and some other officeholders, Politico reported, in the aftermath of a July supreme court ruling that presidents have broad immunity from prosecution.

Biden will make the announcement in Texas on Monday and the specific proposals could change, the report added.

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    Biden will make the announcement in Texas on Monday

    Just twisting that knife in the wound. I love it.

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    InB4 “WhY DiDn’t hE Do iT WhEn hE HaD ThE MaJoRiTy?” Because he’s calling for constitutional amendments that require a 2/3rds support in Congress and the SCOTUS may finally be disliked enough to get some GOP members to support reform, especially if it comes with limiting Biden’s own immunity.

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        If he goes full Dark Brandon with his immunity, perhaps in his lame duck period, then that would be epic.

        I got the popcorn ready.

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          Imagine if he straight up held the court hostage. “Every week that you don’t rule to restrict presidential immunity I kill another justice as an official act.”

          “Two things actually - you gotta do that and restore Roe. Fuck it, three things - you gotta restore the Voting Rights Act too.”

          “Shit. Four things. Citizens United. Reverse it. Yeah do all that or I’ll keep killing and replacing justices until you do. Officially.”

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          Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.

          Removing threats to democracy because that democracy is so flawed that it gave you the power to do so legally, and then using that power to eliminate the ability for it to be used again, is heroic.

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      …and 3/4 of the states. Not only will it take years to accomplish, the uneducated people of the country won’t stand for any amendment that a “librul” came up with. And then everyone will forget or stop caring.

      There won’t be another amendment in the next fifty years, as long as MAGA morons exist.

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        This requirement is what stalls almost all constitutional changes. The last three to pass were 25th 1971 about voting rights for 18 year olds (100 days to pass) the 26th in 1967 about presidential succession (just under 3 years to pass) The last last one (27th) was added 1992 after almost 203 years of meeting the other requirements (It has to do with sitting Congress not being able to raise their own salaries, increases are delayed to the next term. )

        There are 6 amendments still sitting out there awaiting ratification by the states.

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      His first year:

      1. The American Rescue Plan Act and extending existing Covid-19 programs
      2. Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
      3. Bills to avoid a government shutdown and keep the federal government running
      4. Juneteenth National Independence Day Act
      5. Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act
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    To be clear, this immunity obviously DOES NOT EXIST in the constitution and was invented out of whole cloth.

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      What if we just made the limit 1 term? Then no presidents would be doing actions purely to get reelected?

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      Can’t wait for him to flip the table on Israel

      any second now…

      aaaaaaaaannny second now…

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      He is also expected to seek a constitutional amendment

      Arguably, this is still pussyfooting since there’s no fucking way he has anything near the number of votes needed for this.

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      Not entirely sure that matters here.

      I really don’t think there’s that many people towards the middle or left of the political spectrum that are going to be upset about this if he gets the changes through.

      Besides, any changes that might bother voters will still have an effect on Kamala’s campaign until the elections over in November.

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    The problem is not presidential immunity. The problem is immunity and the president is just the highest profile job that has it. Politicians never do anything about the root cause, and only treat the symptoms.

    Police officers get away with murder because their job gives them immunity. Ceos, shareholders and other corporate staff have immunity as well.

    A president getting away with assassinating a political rival is just as unjust as letting a ceo get away with killing 346 people simply because their job gives them immunity for their actions.

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      Perfect should not be the enemy of Good. Reforming the entire system is not something that just happens. It takes several steps in the right direction and you have to start somewhere.

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        The entire system is beyond antiquated. Coupled with bureaucratic tendency to be self serving, leads me to believe “reformation” will look more like slow death, and further declining services.

        I see no reason for optimism along the lines of “system reform”, and history has no examples I can think of. Shit just gets worse and worse till people start killing people and try some new systems.

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          Suffrage didn’t require violent overthrow of the entire system, neither did the New Deal, neither did the Civil Rights movement, neither did Medicare, neither did Gay Rights. No nothing is “solved”, but everything is better than it was in 1900.

          “IDK, maybe War will fix it” is far more unhelpful than working to make positive changes.

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            Ah, yes. The famously incrementalist New Deal and Medicare. The Civil Rights Movement? Incrementalism is setting a timetable for another man’s freedom. We only got gay marriage because the courts did what the legislature was too incrementalist to feel like doing.

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            Sufferage, civil rights etc aren’t institutions.

            'idk, war will fix it" is a lazy-ass takeaway, but ok.

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              You’re right, they’re fundamental changes across multiple institutions.

              “I can’t think of examples” is a pretty lazy justification for “the only way out is violence”.

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    It appears he’s pushing to add official ethics guidelines, not pack the court or anything that would radically change the fuckpit we’ve got now.

    Public confidence in the court has slipped sharply in recent years.

    lol

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      I think he should hire 15 more supreme Court justices. All 18 years old If they want to fuck around with our country we can too. Maybe that would lead to actual change in the rules surrounding supreme Court

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    When the republican senate started weighing how to get their way through the supreme court, during the Obama administration, don’t sound so surprised the Democrats aren’t forced to go low too.

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    I’m glad he’s not running anymore, because I don’t have to watch his supporters add “Reformed the Supreme Court” to the list of proposals they count as completed accomplishments.