• JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works
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    5 months ago

    How could American politicians be so against pornography, when so many keep getting caught with prostitutes?

    Typical. Rules for thee I guess.

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      They pander to the Christian nationalists for their votes. They just want power, they don’t actually hold those values.

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        Neither do Christians, it’s the Billionaires. Need to maximize reproduction of the slaves.

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        They are also against prostitutes. Sex work is work! Criminalizing it only serves to endanger those who are most at risk.

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      5 months ago

      because they’re conservative, and that’s a thing cons do for some reason. google “i know it when i see it” to get some history on how batshit insane it gets.

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      5 months ago

      when so many keep getting caught with prostitutes sex workers?

      FTFY. If you’ve ever worked for a living, you’re a prostitute - just like the rest of us.

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      Pornography and prostitution are different.

      One is information, allowing you to dream (maybe of stupid things), another is in the physical world.

      I don’t want to think a lot of these parallels, but I’ve noticed that people close to actual government bureaucracies are in general very sceptical of imagined things against physical.

      Among other things, consuming pornography doesn’t make you feel powerful, while a prostitute is a real human working for you.

      Also 30s’ propaganda had traits clearly aimed at, eh, sexually dissatisfied youth.

      So maybe it’s just about feeling their own power, and maybe it’s about returning that device of affecting minds. I dunno

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    5 months ago

    For those wondering about the upswing here:

    If the age verification movement goes unchecked, it’s possible that you could be forced to tie your government ID to much of your online activity, Gillmor says. Some civil rights groups fear it could usher in a new era of state and corporate surveillance that would transform our online behaviour.

    “This is the canary in the coalmine, it isn’t just about porn,” says Evan Greer, director of Fight for the Future, a digital rights advocacy group. Greer says age verification laws are a thinly veiled ploy to impose censorship across the web. A host of campaigners warn that these measures could be used to limit access not just to pornography, but to art, literature and basic facts about sex education and LGBTQ+ life.

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      5 months ago

      Yup, and this is exactly why I plan to use a VPN once my state starts enforcing this law. There’s no way I’m going to show ID to any website unless they absolutely need it. There are very few websites where that’s necessary, so I’ll just use a VPN to a neighboring state (or even to Canada) instead of complying with that nonsense.

      I already have to worry about identity theft, I don’t want to make that even easier…

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        5 months ago

        i’ve been toying with the idea of hosting deep web porn front ends. Not sure how legal it would be. But morally, you’d be on pretty good grounds.

        I mean what 13 year old is using tor browser lmao.

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        I don’t think there’s any website where it is necessary, excluding ones that adhere to unjustified laws.

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          I’ve had to submit it for remote work authorization, travel on a cruise line (not required, but strongly recommended), and to prove my identify for a web host when their automated check failed (that was the fastest way). So yeah, pretty rare, but still a thing.

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      I’m going to link my ID and look up the most mind blowingly vile, while remaining legal, porn. If they want to talk to me about it, then I am going to make them describe each video before I “remember” what I saw, after which point I will refuse to acknowledge it as porn.

      Sure, it’s dumb, but it’s fun dumb.

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    Why are they even in war against porn?

    /j lust is just the second layer, try doing something about worse stuff like greed or gluttony

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      Religious extremists that work tirelessly to impose their god’s laws on everybody else.

      They’ve actually embedded themselves in US government now, over many years and much effort, and the burning embers of their religious war against the rest of us are finally starting to catch fire in a big way.

      They recently took away a person’s right to an abortion. Madness, I know. What will they take away next?

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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      5 months ago

      Because cops like to check ID, and this allows them to check ID more often. I think they want to check my ID at every website, if they could.

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      5 months ago

      Why are they even in war against porn?

      First time that I heard that, and I really don’t think it’s a real war. Maybe a tiny quarrel :)

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        Well, they’re the ones that know which pizza shops have pedophile sex dungeons hidden underneath. So, I guess they’re fighting themselves. (As I typed that out, it occurred to me how true is a statement it was…😝)

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      Because they want to use antiporn laws to restrict books and other media with LGBTQ content.

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        PornHub is run by a Canadian company, and the guy looking to be our next PM wants to do the same ID thing. So that might be out too, lol

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          PornHub is already unavailable in my state because they refuse to comply (at least last I checked), but it’s totally available in the datacenter in the next state over. :)

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    Not Americans in the sense I see it. Flag pissing regressives is what they are. A minority that gerrymanders their way into power and pushes their childish backward thinking on the real Americans. Many the rot in their closets from which they only emerge every four years to crash grinder.

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        Sure that works as well but I myself prefer regressives. It speaks to their mindset that they want to take the country back to some imagined golden age. Where men were men and women were chattel. Where brown folks were not equals and it was okay to attack anyone who wasn’t them without fear of consequences.

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      It’s not childish. This is just the appearance because people are not afraid of “stupid” politicians as much as they should be.

      In fact all these changes are consistent and all in one direction.

      Information is power, and all these actions create a system where you can’t avoid being identified and visible in everything you do. Then the people in power, if you somehow threaten that power, may assure that you won’t anymore without any open repression, without jailing you or murdering you or even censoring you. You just won’t get anywhere near visibility or power to affect the world, and it will all seem pretty natural and chaotic, so you won’t even see your path being corrected so that you wouldn’t affect politics.

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      5 months ago

      A system that needs ID verification to access a site is a problem. What if it’s used for other websites as well?

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          5 months ago

          Yeah, that could work; however, it would be a hassle. Just remember to save everything important locally.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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            One step ahead of you, I’m actively replacing all of my online accounts with self-hosted alternatives. My state passed both porn ID and social media ID laws, and I assume they’ll try to add this to anything with age gates (e.g. streaming sites).

            So I’m moving my stuff to my personal cloud:

            • Jellyfin - I’m going back to buying Blurays and DVDs and adding them to my own streaming service
            • NextCloud/ownCloud - still playing with it, but I got Collabora set up for docs and spreadsheets, at it supports calendar sync as well
            • Vaultwarden - working on switching from the hosted Bitwarden
            • Actual Budget - I switched from Mint -> TillerHQ (hosted at Google Docs), and this is the next step (it integrates with SimpleFIN for bank sync)

            All of this is available both over my self-hosted VPN, and over the internet with certain services exposed over my domain (all use LetsEncrypt certificates). So I can access whatever I want wherever I am. I do offsite backups with Backblaze B2 ($6/month/TB), and I sync important stuff to my phone w/ syncthing.

            It’s a bit of a pain, but there’s no way my state can take any of that away from me. I’ll be adding more services as I find time, and I’ve got a good system now where a new service only takes a few minutes to spin up. Basically, my setup process is:

            1. add subdomain for the service to my DNS - could use a wildcard, but I like control and ability to move things around
            2. add haproxy config at my VPS - just copy/paste like a dozen lines of config
            3. update Caddyfile on my NAS to handle the new service - again, copy like 5 lines
            4. add and configure container in my compose.yml
            5. docker compose up -d (to build the new service) followed by docker compose restart to get Caddy to reload the config

            Caddy fetches the TLS certificates, and docker handles setting up the service. Unless I make a mistake. Since everything is in docker, I don’t need any ports exposed except 80 and 443, which is managed by Caddy.

            I wouldn’t have bothered if Netflix had kept reasonable rates for ad-free watching, but here we are. And now my state is being a pain, so I’ll probably configure my WIFI with a VPN out of state so I don’t have to deal with the stupid ID verification crap.

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              This is fantastic. Hopefully, crazy politics will at least have a side effect of all of this self hosted software becoming easier. It’s gotten to the point where companies like Hetzner will maintain nextcloud services for a monthly fee but Caddy is already more intuitive compared to what came before it.

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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                Yup. I’m thinking of making a blog series or something about my setup. It’s a little complex, but the individual pieces are pretty simple, so anyone with time and interest could totally replicate it. Mine would focus on Linux, but since everything is in containers, it could easily be replicated on Windows as well.

                Oh, and I’m working from the worst possible setup, I’m behind CGNAT, so I have to go through an outside server to make my internal stuff public. A lot of people can just use their router IP instead, which eliminates the VPN entirely (just port forwards from your router).