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War is hell, can’t blame them
Such a tough and heartbreaking situation. Of course I’m pretty sure most of us would like to think we’d step up if our country was brutally attacked but I honestly have no idea what I’d do. Facing seemingly endless meat waves would be hell by itself let alone thermobaric bombs and drones.
No fucking way. I ain’t gonna’ die fighting for the inflated egos, of the morons in charge of the world powers and their ass-lickers. I’d gather up my loved ones and leave in a heartbeat, if my country started forced conscription. I’m not enough of a nationalist to die “for king and fatherland”, no matter how much i like this little country.
There have been times in my life when I would have fled, and times in my life when I would have fought. Never for the idea of country, but certainly for the people in the country. I’m a middle aged American woman and having no family anymore, I have considered fighting for the families of Ukraine. Though not too seriously and I don’t even know if they’d take me
I’m not fighting for this shithole country unless I am fighting against MAGAs instead of for MAGAs.
(Completely different country here, no present risk.) The unfortunate reality for me is that I have three kids who might be called up if the shit hits the fan, and I’ve had 30 odd years longer on this planet.
If its not me, it’s my kids.
I’m too old and too sick to ever be called up to fight unless it’s hopeless. But I have a 14-year-old daughter and I see no reason for the modern U.S. military to keep its “women can’t be drafted” policy in such a situation. I can’t lose her. My biggest fear, one I have nightmares about, is outliving her. Even if I was super patriotic, I don’t think I’d risk her being forced to fight. I would flee.
Maybe so, and this may be callous of me, but I would not sacrifice my daughter over them. I don’t know whether or not you are a parent, but I don’t think many parents would be willing to sacrifice their children because others wanted them sacrificed.
How many other sons and daughters are worth your’s? Ten? A hundred? A thousand? Does it matter if they’re children, or legal adults? Does it matter if they die quickly, or held, raped for a month, and then tortured to death?
Are you a parent? Because otherwise, I don’t think you really understand why I feel this way.
Do you lack empathy for other parents and other children? Do you expect them to die to save you and your’s, or will you just expect enough of them to die to stall for the duration of your lifetimes? How direct does your contribution to the deaths of others have to be? If your daughter was held hostage, would you go to the camps every day and pull the lever on the gas chambers, or would that be ‘too much’?
My mother loves me, and I know she’d die to save my dumb ass. She’d kill a few people at the least too. But I also know she would be deeply ashamed of me if I was bound by common morality to assist in the prevention of a great evil, and chose instead to flee - not just spur of the moment, but continually, every day of my life, until either the evil was successful in its genocide or until other people paid the price on my behalf.
Could you look your daughter in the eyes, and tell her a hundred children raped to death were the price to not risk her life? Not even a guaranteed trade, just not to risk her life? What other risks to her life are unacceptable?
Fight someone else’s war…? And risk my life??. Fuck fighting for ‘my country’ - or some prick who might be in charge of it today. Its a fucking parasite that squeezed me for everything it could get, and relentlessly continues.
All the Ukrainians that were voluntarily willing to serve and fight are either already on the field, injured, or dead.
I believe Ukraine needs foreign soldiers to finish the war, or they will have to surrender eventually. The Russians have no problem dragging this out, sending millions more of their people to die for this war.
Terrible situation. I had a temp come work for me that had fled from Ukraine. I judged the situation at first, but I considered what I would do in his situation. I’d like to think I’d stay and fight, but we only get one life. My guy was just trying to to survive.
During the first year (Jesus I can’t believe I’m saying this), my colleagues in Ukraine thanked us for the work we had and disappeared. I saw him post in a gaming blog comment about Elden Ring dlc so I think he’s alive.
Most of the world wants to be left alone.
Fighting for your home made more logical sense when the consequence of losing your home meant you most likely had nowhere to go and either were stuck under brutal occupation or left to wander for a place to live with a high risk of dying before finding anything. With how much more accessible distant travel is these days, I can’t imagine any piece of land worth dying for, especially when considering the typical lack of support that veterans get when the fighting is over.
I respect those with the courage to fight for defense, but I wouldn’t look down upon anyone who left.
I wouldn’t trust them. But then I’m a vet.
I have the biggest respect for all the people defending Ukraine from Russia.
But if everybody decided to not go to war. There would be no wars.
Utopia. I know.
No one is made for war… except 007 after he caught that brain eating amoeba from the gulf coast.
No one is made for war, but the world’s military medical research teams are working on it.
Yeah I’d do the same.
I can’t judge, prople have different mental strength and courage, i may do or feel the same if i was in place despite believing that all people should resist invaders
Interesting reading all the comments about how you can understand those who don’t want to fight… yet, most of you support financing this war…the Democrats are sending BILLIONS of dollars, and god forbid we question where all the money is going… right?
This seems consistent, not hypocritical. If someone supports financing Ukraine, then one should want Ukraine to have enough money for recruiting. Conscription is like an inefficient and regressive tax.
And if you stop helping Ukraine and it runs out of resources, what do you think will happen?
Russia will see this and be like: “oh sorry Ukraine i’ll continue when you are rich”
I dislike war as much as the next guy but I also dislike the idea of Russia taking over Ukraine. And Poland. And Moldova. And any other former USSR state
