A Child is advocating for a Back Surgeon who has made a General Call? Am I reading that right?
Took me several seconds to parse that sentence as well.
Have those warning labels been shown to work like at all? We already have awareness saturation about just how awful cigarettes are for you.
With the government executing this message to our youth, I think they’ll work as well as the anti-piracy ones back in the day.
You Wouldn’t Steal a Car
Warnings probably work better on products you’re putting in your body. If you have blackened lungs on the cigarette packaging I can’t imagine choosing to smoke.
On social media, you basically have to destroy my experience for me to stop using it in the same way. All effective options are terrible: ads, microtransactions, auto-playing unexpected sounds, nonresponsive interfaces.
What do you mean by work? Do they stop everyone from doing stupid things? No. Do they have a measurable effect on behavior? Yes.
So why don’t we put them on guns?
We probably don’t want to use the current leader in cause of death for kids as a template for good policy.
Not at all what I was suggesting. If warning labels save lives why are they not on guns?
My guess is gun advocates think its a restriction on the 2nd amendment?
I see.
Well as long as opinions matter more than data now. Might as well criminalize Tik Tok with one hand and give out free AR-15s to mentally ill 18 year olds with the other.
I don’t get why people think this idea is equivalent to stuff like internet access bans or COPPA, it’s a warning label, not an “enter your ID” to access page.
They never banned cigarettes, but putting a giant warning on the box did help in vilifying cigarettes as very unhealthy and wrong.
I doubt it’ll go anywhere in this age of government, but its exactly the type of thing I would have gone for if I were tasked with solving a societal issue. It’s smart because it has no real effect on access, so social media companies would have a harder time fighting it, but it also gives a big bloody warning which does have a substantial psychological impact on users.
iirc someone did something similar with a very simple “are you sure?” app that gave a prompt asking if you were sure you wanted to post something or send a text. Just having a single prompt was enough for many people to reconsider their stupid text or comment.
Let he who has to deal with that friend who constantly sends blatantly false Xits to them throw the first stone. Honestly I feel like every social media post that makes a factual representation should come with a big flashing warning “THIS IS ALMOST CERTAINLY FALSE, LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU REPEAT IT YOU DUMMY!”
And I’m only like 10% joking. Given the success of language models it should be moderately trivial to train one to recognize when a factual statement is made and apply the above warning. It’s not even the children and teens I’m worried about. The people who seem to have the most trouble handling this are the adults.
Given the success of language models it should be moderately trivial to train one to recognize when a factual statement is made and apply the above warning.
Is it??? Because I feel like context is a real weak point for bots and ai to figure out.
Hell, it feels like half the HUMANS don’t know whats factually true. Is the covid vaccine a society saving development which saved the lives of millions? Or is it full of bill gates mind control computer chips to rule over the portion of society dumb enough to get the vaccine willingly?
Who’s to say?
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Go to pubmed. Type “social media mental health”. Read the studies, or the reviews if you don’t have the time.
The average American teenager spends 4.8 hours/day on social media. Increased use of social media is associated with increased rates of depression, eating disorders, body image dissatisfaction, and externalizing problems. These studies don’t show causation, but guess what, we literally cannot show causation in most human studies because of ethics.
Social media drastically alters peer interactions, with negative interactions (bullying) associated with increased rates of self harm, suicide, internalizing and externalizing problems.
Mobile phone use alone is associated with sleep disruption and daytime sleepiness.
Looking forward to your peer-reviewed critiques of these studies claiming they are all “just vibes.”
Kids these days with their new fangled smartphones. Back in my day we made new friends at a lynching or at the sockhop.
Everything after I was 21 is shit!
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6630a6.htm
Teenage suicide rates were declining for over a decade, especially in males. Now they are increasing in both males and females. You would have to be a complete monster to not want to study, understand, and reverse this trend.
The homicide rate and suicide rate are inversely correlated. One goes up the other goes down. As a whole the country is getting less violent so this is a predictable result. And it doesn’t require anyone to invent a communist plot to sap and unpurify our precious bodily fluids or gay frogs.
I agree it’s far from ideal. I might suggest that we don’t actively work hard to kill the middle class and maybe stop school shootings. But we won’t do that when it is easier for us to blame Emmanuel Goldste— sorry tik Tok.
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Pretty disingenuous to say this person is acting like an antivaxxer for reading medical journals, when one comment down you admit to forming your opinion by browsing nature, and not being a field expert yourself.
Your comments display hypocrisy and you should commit one way or another.
If you do the search I suggested you will find relevant reviews immediately. If you add keywords based on my post text you will find the primary sources immediately.
No, it’s just based on vibes.
You didn’t bother looking, clearly.
Edit: I’m not saying I’m familiar with what the studies say, although some draw a clear link with adverse mental health impacts on kids. Not sure how far that goes. I’m also not saying I agree with the SG or the need for warning labels, but to say this is based on “vibes” is, ironically, speculative at best.
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So you acknowledge that you don’t have the skills necessary to interpret papers so… what, you decide that Nature adequately represents their findings enough to dismiss them? Even though you say there is little evidence of a causative link? Even though the surgeon general says they feel there is and cites that evidence to back it up?
I mean… what?
If the major psychological/pediatric organizations come out in support of this, I’ll eat my words. [Edit] words: Eaten
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2024/06/social-media-youth
I would interpret the American Academy of Pediatricians stance as being supportive. But that’s open to interpretation, I suppose.
The APA “welcomes” the warning, so I’m eating my words. https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2024/06/social-media-youth
Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me.
Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me.
Why would you conclude that? Because it conflicts with your “vibe”?
Yeah buddy whatever you want to be true is.
You know they are turning the frogs gay? Read about it on my 5G Mark of the Beast Covid microchip
It’s a pity you aren’t worth responding to. Have a nice day!
The onus is on the state to justify their control with science. They haven’t done that and clearly you haven’t done that either. You’re literally just posting vibes.
Do I really need to point out that you yourself are “literally just posting vibes” ?
You didn’t even bother investigating whether or not they had justified their stance with science. I’m not convinced you made it past the headline, much less read any of the content that article linked to.
The funny thing is I actually did read two of the studies I quickly found and which you too can find. But you seem more interested in adhering to a certain… vibe.
Have a nice day.
Edit: You know I was busy and totally forgot.
The very first result on my search engine, if you search for “effects of social media on children’s mental health” is the HHS.gov website, specifically this page: https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/priorities/youth-mental-health/social-media/index.html
And wouldn’t you know, right there are 5 separate papers cited to support 1. that social media is widely used; and 2 it “presents meaningful harm to youth”
Oh we got trouble, right here in River City. We need something to keep the kids moral after school.
Oh, did they have studies showing that the mods and rockers damaged people’s mental health? Is that how this is the same?
Probably yeah. The modern world is designed to hurt your mental health. Is that the fault of social media or simply the price of being aware? If I learned that many groups of people are being genocided from reading Wikipedia and that makes me depressed would you say Wikipedia causes mental issues?
“studies”
Probably with the same methodology that led to comic book burnings
This clown is comparing social media to cars and cigarettes. Cars are literally the leading killer of children. Cigarettes literally cause cancer… Social media? No. It’s pathetic but completely normalized when so-called “scientists” promote absolute pseudo-science.
If these fools actually care about kids, reduce and ban cars. They’ll never do anything actually productive for kids and humanity because they’re profiting from complicity and exploitation. Let’s see how long these politicians last if they go up against auto cartels and pretrol tyrants.
So your argument is that you can’t possibly imagine a bad consequence of social media, that the studies by scientists showing the negative aspects are “pseudoscience”, that they don’t actually care about children, and that these politicians are just pushing this message to make a profit.
Did I get it right?
What will you lose if children are warned about the dangers of social media anyways?
