• immutable@lemm.ee
    854·
    6 months ago

    “Dear America: You are waking up, as Germany once did, to the awareness that 1/3 of your people would kill another 1/3 while 1/3 watches.”—Incorrectly attributed to Werner Herzog but just some random person on the internet it seems.

    Still the quote makes sense even without the appeal to authority

    Thanks, TheReturnOfPEB for correcting me

    • Rustmilian@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      6 months ago

      Waking up? I’m pretty sure we’ve been well aware sense the civil war. Most of us are just Squidward.

    • KevonLooney@lemm.ee
      114·
      6 months ago

      Nah. America had Nazis in the 30s too. We’re immune to the most rabid varieties of fascism and authoritarianism because they don’t produce all the cool products Americans demand.

      Americans might be plagued with racism and bigotry, but we’re way too lazy and invested in our own lives for a coup. Literally our bread and circuses are way too good.

      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
        13·
        6 months ago

        That describes the 2/3rds that’s watching or being killed. Our complacency is what makes us vulnerable.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
          23·
          6 months ago

          It’s selection bias. Folks who resist get stomped on. The folks that remain are increasingly docile.

          Repeat this process over and over again - from the Palmer Raids to the Blacklists to the crushing of the Civil Rights / Antiwar movements to the Drug Wars and Terror Wars - until your culture is properly domesticated and you can do whatever you want to them.

          • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 months ago

            I think the anti-war movement - more specifically specifically the anti-draft movement - caused a lot of unintended damage. By effectively ending the draft it removed many young people’s connection to world events.

            The Iraq and Afghanistan wars would have been met with a lot more resistance. If all those years of stop-losses and quadruple deployments had instead been years of drafting young people, a lot more people would have stood up the the Bush administration. That would have gotten a generation politically active and would have prevented a lot of what’s happening today.

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
              2·
              6 months ago

              By effectively ending the draft it removed many young people’s connection to world events.

              I don’t buy that theory, as the broader global economic forces were a bigger influence on GenX / Millennial youth than any particular US military hot zone. And I loathe to think how the Bush/Obama admins would have responded to Afghanistan/Iraq if they thought they had unlimited free conscripts to throw at the problem forever, rather than a depleted reserve of voluntary enlistees and national guard troops to draw from.

              If all those years of stop-losses and quadruple deployments had instead been years of drafting young people, a lot more people would have stood up the the Bush administration.

              I don’t think Bush could have been meaningfully less popular with youth voters by 2004. His approval rating was already under 40% in the 18-24 demographic. Young people were regularly in the streets in protest all through 03-04. I was in college at the time, and there were parades of protesters running through the quad at the start of every term. But it was the Boomer voters who dictated the direction of the country, and their hatred of brown skinned foreigners was matched only slightly by their disgust towards Millennials.

              The groundswell of opposition to Bush kept piling up until it fully materialized in the 2009 Dem super majority, but then… Obama didn’t get us out of Iraq. Hell, the reason he beat Hillary was because he came out as staunchly against Iraq while she waffled. The antiwar movement was widespread in 2008 and continued to truck on through 2012. But it wasn’t voluntary enlistment that strangled the war. It was a big wave of ostensibly antiwar Democrats taking office and then not ending it.

        • ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works
          7·
          6 months ago

          1. Good bread is expensive or made yourself.

          2. It seems pretty common for travelers to lament the lack of good bread like at home. Bread basically a living organism that is ultra local. Good bread like at home really only exists at home. Local water, temperature, humidity, and other environmental factors seem to play a big part.

          Ask anyone from New York or New Jersey about getting a good pizza or bagel in another state. It doesn’t matter who makes it or if they’re using the exact same recipe, perfect bread can evidently not be replicated outside the region. There is even a bagel company in south Florida, catering to snowbirds turned transplants, that claims to use water from that region to make their bagels.

          • RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            73·
            6 months ago

            It’s not as delicate a matter as you make it out to be. I was just looking for a kind that isn’t mushy like toast or full of sugar like a bagle. If classic sourdough or whole grain with an actual crust exist in the US it’s not trivial to find for foreign visitors.

            • ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works
              51·
              6 months ago

              Yeah, good food isn’t trivial to find when you travel. I’m empathetic to that frustration. But judging all bread based on the cheapest abundant and easy to find bread a foreigner can find without any apparent effort seems like a mistake to me. I certainly wouldn’t judge all Italian food by what I found in my hotel in Venice. I wouldn’t judge NY bagels by what I found during my layover at La Guardia. And I wouldn’t judge an entire countries bread based on what I found in the grocery store.

              • Jtotheb@lemmy.world
                21·
                6 months ago

                Sorry, but two disagreements—good food is trivial to find when you travel in Italy lol and American bread is bad without question

            • RBWells@lemmy.world
              3·
              6 months ago

              Whole Foods has a great bakery. It was a loaf I bought there that inspired me to start making sourdough. Locally, we have “Cuban bread” that I’m pretty sure is really Tampa bread, if you get it at the right bakeries it’s great. Supermarket bread is mostly nonsense, is that not true elsewhere?

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
            41·
            6 months ago

            Good bread like at home really only exists at home.

            Or at a quality bakery. But those aren’t nearly as profitable as fast food joints.

  • MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    38·
    6 months ago

    I think most of us are less apathetic like Squidward and more just exhausted. We care about a lot of the things happening, but there’s so much going on we physically can’t keep track of, let alone care about, it all, so we don’t. We just don’t have the mental or emotional energy for it.

    • spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works
      12·
      6 months ago

      It’s not just Americans. As a Canadian we’re deeply affected by American situations (plus our own politics). Sometimes the only way to put up with the complex world we live in is a little Squidwardism

      • MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        I feel for you. On behalf of my country, I would like to apologize for all the bullshit we put you all through. You deserve better neighbors. :(

      • WideEyedStupid@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 months ago

        Well, let’s not pretend any of us even ‘need’ American influence to become shitty. The entirety of Europe has apparently decided that it’s been long enough since WW2 for us to give Fascism another try. Sure, the US influences the world, but we’re more than capable of fucking things up ourselves.

        While maybe not as bad as the US yet, that image can be recycled for Europe in a short while.

    • motor_spirit@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 months ago

      There are few ‘viable solutions’ that readily present themselves to the concerned voter, so little gets resolved and issues continue to grow and morph. If you look at things through a state by state lens it becomes more cloudy because state laws will affect more immediate issues and can very likely differ. It’s hard to command fifty entities in one direction, all worried about various concerns in various directions. Having faith in this Rube Goldberg machine def makes for a bad time, so apathy and hope suffice. System working as intended, do not investigate.

      • MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 months ago

        Honestly, that’s why despite as much respect as I have for the Constitution and the founding fathers, I sincerely believe that a parliamentary, rather than federal system, would be far more efficient & effective. Sure, problems could effect faster, but so could solutions.

  • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
    202·
    6 months ago

    And then the red second someone from Europe cracks wise about it, all of them descend upon the poor healthcare haver like a pack of rabid wolves.

    For how capable we are of recognizing and hating our own problems, we are equally incapable of hearing about them from anyone else without punching said anyone else in the face for talking shit.

    Salutes flag, sheds patriotic tear, admires eagle screeching while spreading its wings before the majestic sunset

    • SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
      23·
      6 months ago

      I still feel like half of the time the people from Europe are using it as an opportunity to pat themselves on the back for something they were born into. (I can make this criticism because I’m from there)

      • KevonLooney@lemm.ee
        8·
        6 months ago

        And ignoring the fact that they just elected a political party that wants to eliminate the very thing they’re bragging about, because an immigrant might be able to afford a doctor.

  • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
    11·
    6 months ago

    I’m Squidward. At some point we have to realize that it’s not our fellow Americans fault they are misinformed and undereducated, it’s the fault of the ruling class and how we are being educated. The ruling class is never going to teach you the means to overthrow them. Unfortunately, it is up to us as individuals to teach each other critical thinking, media literacy and our shared history. It was never us versus MAGA, us versus the boomers, us versus the tankies. It was always us versus the rich. 🤑

    • Nevoic@lemm.ee
      2·
      6 months ago

      Until the tankies seize power and start killing the anarchists for being anti-state xd

      Not all tankies would do this, but it’s happened before and it’s good to be cautious around those who want supreme authority, even if they claim it’s just “temporary”. If we see the Chinese state wither away and give rise to a truly communist society, I’ll be genuinely surprised.

  • PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee
    9·
    6 months ago

    Gotta hand it to the politicians and the media. After that Occupy Wallstreet business, they got to work real quick turning Americans against each other. Successful.

    • GratefullyGodless@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 months ago

      Oh right, it’s not like we fought a civil war over a hundred years before that, and to this day there are still people here flying the losing sides flag. We’ve been turning on each other a long time. It’s an American tradition at this point.