Man identified by police as Max Azzarello, from Florida, declared dead after incident outside lower Manhattan courthouse
A man has died after setting himself on fire outside the New York courthouse where Donald Trump’s hush-money trial is taking place.
The New York City police department said on Saturday the man had been declared dead by staff at an area hospital.
Officials had said earlier the man, who was in his late 30s, was in critical condition.
The New York police department said the man, who they identified as Max Azzarello of St Augustine, Florida, did not appear to be targeting Trump or others involved in the trial.
Witnesses said the man pulled pamphlets out of a backpack and threw them in the air before he doused himself with a liquid and set himself on fire on Friday. One of those pamphlets included references to “evil billionaires” but portions that were visible to a Reuters witness did not mention Trump.
Another case for, at a minimum, universal mental health care.
I don’t think you can advocate for universal mental health care without universal health care. Mental health care is health care.
There’s a reason where I am that a mental health clinician is part of the cancer team. Having just the therapy aspect covered would do nothing for people unable to treat their physical illnesses.
Promoting better accessibility of mental health care is reasonable- even places with universal coverage mental health lags behind. The tricky thing is that some people will refuse to access care even if its available. Its more visible in cases like this but happens all the time with other chronic illnesses like COPD and diabetes where it gets out of control and the person succumbs quietly.
I don’t know where I’m going with this. I wish he had sought help and I wish that help was available. I’m glad no one else lost their lives in this case.
Well, that’s why I say “at a minimum”. Once everyone has universal mental health care, then maybe we can get the real deal…
Agreed. Treating mental health separately from health makes about as much sense as requiring different health insurance for teeth as well as eyes.
“so you’re saying we need a fire suppressant grenade launcher? we’ll get right on it.”
Ill call Raytheon, see if we can get the unit price below 1 mil.
While I do think that we do need universal mental health care (and universal health care in general), I’m not sure it would have helped in this situation. The thing about mental health care is that you can’t force it on anyone, they have to want it themselves. He had friends who tried to get him help but he wouldn’t take it, and there’s only so much that can be done if he refuses. It’s like the old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
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You think better access to psychological care won’t reduce instances of self-immolation?
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I would give your comment passing marks if the prompt were to give a general sense of smug disagreement without saying anything with actual content. Also, I get the distinct impression that you don’t know what the word “patronizing” means.
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Telling someone their problems aren’t real and it’s just mental health is a textbook example of patronizing them
Sure, but no one said that the problems weren’t real, and no one’s being as reductionist as you seem to think.
My criticism was there to highlight how patronizing you are being while simultaneously illustrating that no one else here was. To be more specific, you’re assuming a lot about everyone else’s positions and giving the most surface-level explanations you possibly could.
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I feel bad for this guy. I mean, he felt passionate enough about his cause to feel that the only way to draw attention to it was to self-immolate. But his cause is… what, exactly? I’ve read a few articles and couldn’t really figure it out.
It seems to me he was a bright guy who believed what he read on the Internet, and when his mother passed he lost any moderating influence in his life, so that he had no one to pull him out of the conspiracy theories. It was the lack of critical thinking that killed him in the end.
His manifesto is at https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside
He was clearly mentally ill.
I was skeptical of the mental illness angle until I clicked on the link. This guy was deeply into conspiracy theories.
It’s not often well adjusted people set themselves on fire.
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Thich Quang Duc is the monk you’re referring to, this was during the build up to Vietnam, but to put it in context for you, John f Kennedy was still alive when this happened.
He was not protesting the war, he was protesting the Catholic Church, which was the largest land owner in South Vietnam at the time. Buddhists were being marginalized and a ban on flying the Buddhist flag had been enacted, the Vatican flag flew over most buildings.
Buddhists protesting the government has recently been victims of a massacre, government forces fired blindly in to a crowd and killed 9 people.
Duc self immolated over religious inequality.
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Lastly, we string these major discoveries together: Cryptocurrency is an economic doomsday device; our government is a secret kleptocracy; The Simpsons exists to brainwash us.
I want to live in the timeline where he got the right treatment/producer to make a podcast or video series using Simpsons scenes to describe macroeconomic theories
It’s always heartbreaking when people grow skeptical of neoliberalism (and the greedy, self-serving people who push it), only to be preyed upon by groups like neo-nazis, conspiracy theorists and crypto bros.
Anywhere you find people who are frustrated, depressed or paranoid, you’ll find extremists using that vulnerability to groom more extremists.
I mean, a lot of what crypto has become is pretty Ponzi-ish. But yeah, he’s a bit deeper off the conspiracy cliff than that.
…and the two parties do seem to work together. Also, tech billionaires and their platforms do seem to promote and allow a lot of white supremacist propaganda on their websites.
So a lot of what he writes about seems to have a basis in reality.
When we piece it all together, we understand the truth: **We are in a totalitarian doomsday cult. **
Why on earth would our elites do this? There are many reasons, but the simplest is because capitalism is unsustainable, and they knew it: Climate change and resource extraction would catch up eventually. So, they never intended to sustain it. They knew all along that they would gobble up all the wealth they could, and then yank the rug out from under us so they could pivot to a hellish fascist dystopia.
Yeah I too think he was likely mentally ill. But damn if this didn’t resonate.
A nutter with a good point is still a nutter.
It should be noted that for-profit media companies will play dumb on any protest critical of the types of people that own and run for-profit media companies.
During the “occupy” protests, it was common to see reporters staring into the camera and asking “but what are these protests about?” in front signs stating exactly what the protests were about. They knew if they fairly reported on the movement, their audience might start agreeing with the protesters. So both “left wing” and “right wing” media companies held hands and united to undermine it.
But without that reporting, fuck knows. If he’s posting on reddit conspiracy subs, they’ve become a place for extremists to recruit the stupid and the clinically paranoid.
Whatever society might look like on the other side of beating the billionaires, for-profit news surely won’t be a part of it.
This. It’s hard to not realize what this guy was protesting about, we all feel it but the media wants us to buy a new iphone to be happy instead.
His Instagram tells a really sad story. He was an infrequent poster of perfectly ordinary content. No sign of any mental illness: pictures of his sisters wedding, some jokes, nothing concerning.
Then, some posts about the death of his mother and almost right after, his sharp decline in mental health becomes apparent.
He was apparently active on Reddit and posted semi-often in the /r/conspiracy subreddit
I also think he was a frequent /r/True_Anon poster, if I remember right
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TL;DR: The guy is a nutter.
Lesson of the day: don’t self immolate. The most you’ll get from your opponents and sympathizers are shrugs.
Azzarello: You’ll pay for this, with your kleptocrats’ blood!
Establishment: Oh right, how you gonna get em, skeleton power?
For law enforcement maybe they shouldn’t rescue after a certain amount of time 😔? Like that was 2 minutes. Maybe cut off at 1 minute? I don’t know, it sounds so painful. One of my family members was burnt accidentally by hot liquid and those years of pain and suffering are a mark in my life and obviously in their life. Imagine 100C vs 800 to 1200C in a fire, and instead of just a single burn, continuous burn for minutes? 😞 And to survive that to live one more entire day in possible the most painful way possible.
Cops are not doctors and not individuals I would want making that kind of call
I guess the guy should have pull his cellphone from his pocket. That would have been much less painful.
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The New York police department said the man, who they identified as Max Azzarello of St Augustine, Florida, did not appear to be targeting Trump or others involved in the trial.
It took The Guardian four paragraphs to get to that. This is why Trump’s people are going to turn this guy into a martyr. Because the media isn’t making it clear enough that this had nothing to do with Trump.
“did not appear to be targeting Trump”…“A pamphlet angry at evil billionaires”
I could see Trump being triggered that the guy coming to protest rich people was not there for him.
Yeah the media is trying to silence this man’s message, a lot of the national news won’t even bring up his immolation. Even the locals have dialed back mentioning anything about his message, only saying “he did not breech the perimeter of security” about the event. He died to bring an important message, it feels wrong to bury it. If it is crazy, let the people decide for themselves: https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside
Thanks for the link.
TL;DR: the world is in a Ponzi scheme, the elite are using cryptocurrency to get richer, all of the elite are in this together including politicians “competing” with each other, and the only possible outcome is either societal collapse or a fascist state. And The Simpsons and other media proves this is true.
There was also this:
In order to explain the massive anomaly [massive stock growth and drop], our criminal government unleashed COVID on the world and told us these were the “stay at home stocks.”
There are components of his theory that ring true, but the cherry-picked examples and the strange conclusions of how points are connected definitely made it read like a conspiracy theorist.
Despite that, one of the points he makes early on is to apologize to those he will hurt with his self-immolation, including witnesses and first responders. That fact alone gives me empathy for him. He truly believed his conclusions, and it drove him to this awful action.
I have always said that setting yourself on fire is bad for your health, and this just proves my point.
Give a man a fire and keep him warm for a night; set a man on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Sad to hear this person died.
Have to say, seems like being in the state of mind that you’re willing to kill yourself because of a given cause doesn’t often overlap with having the media savvy to capitalize on such a drastic action.
Maybe we’ll find out more, and it will have more of an impact. But just thinking about how before Aaron Bushnell someone else had apparently self immolated, but I don’t know their name or specifically what the reason was. I only know because articles about Bushnell mentioned it in passing. And even for Bushnell imagine if someone had messed with his phone or even accidentally blocked the image? Without that visual spreading online it would just be another blip in the news cycle.
So what was on the pamphlets?
I’m not sure but he had a few printable pamphlets with wild shit on his substack:
https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside
Thanks. So this guy thinks that crypto is the global ponzi scheme, not the gazillion dollar fiat debt?
There’s enough people in the world for multiple ponzi schemes to coexist.
Of course but thinking that Crypto was the catalyst while in 2008 the entire Fiat ponzi scheme got exposed by crashing the world economy and all bankers getting bailed out is some backwards logic.
we might agree that logic was perhaps not maxwell’s forte.
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This is honestly just sad. If you know someone who is falling down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and increasingly radicalizing, get them help. Seriously.
Florida isn’t sending us their best
Poor guy thought lighting himself on fire at something to do with Trump wouldn’t make everyone think it’s about Trump.
He had a bunch of flyers that he threw in the air before setting himself on fire outside a Trump trial, but unfortunately none of them mentioned Trump. Maybe something about billionaires which is kinda Trumpy, but we won’t actually show you any of them because we’re here for Trump. Anyhow, Trump Trump Trump
He literally mentions that Trump is the same as Hilary and other presidents and candidates. It was about the ruling class, you should probably read it https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside
Wow, great find. Poor guy.
Well, he won’t be making that mistake again, I can guarantee you that.
Natural selection at work.
