Hello, all! Longtime lurker on Reddit and now on Lemmy. I’ve tried looking into getting out of the US as things aren’t looking too great as I’m sure many of you know, but wanted some tips from those of us who have gotten out. Where did you decide to move to, and what were the things you looked at when deciding to move there? How did you go about the process? What are some stories you can tell about the immigration process? Where can I start? How can I realistically make it happen? I hope this isn’t silly to you all, as it matters quite a lot to me and I’m genuinely interested in getting away from here for good. Thank you all for your time!
Like others said, moving through employment would be the most straightforward way. I actually moved TO the US instead of from, and I did so by asking my employer to relocate me. It was still tough, but because I was sponsored by my job, I had a lot of support (immigration lawyer and relocation costs paid for). The most ideal way is to get employed in the US by a company that has an office in your desired country. Then try to get moved there via internal transfer. The next option is apply for jobs in the desired country that are willing to sponsor you, but that’s harder because not a lot of local companies are willing to spend. The first one also allows you to hit the ground running.
Thank you for your response!
Find a job that will relocate you. Million times easier than the alternatives.
I did the “alternatives”. I survived. Would not recommend.
Thank you for your response. I am sorry you had a hard time with the alternatives. Is life better for you since you moved though?
Wouldn’t move back.
I am in Europe. (I also have EU citizenship so that drove my decision).
I have friends who moved to NZ to try to escape the threat of Nazis here as well (it’s not like Europe is free from the evils shredding the US).
But yeah. Socialism is great. Salaries are lower and taxes higher and I would not trade in a million years.
Trudeau said a few years ago that Canada will welcome any Americans who can bring useful skills to the country. That isn’t a high bar either. He’s basically saying as long as you can contribute to society and not be a bum, you’re welcome. You didn’t specify where you’d like to go, but that’s one option.
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He also ruined the country since then. I’d suggest Poland.
Hi! I’m sure you have a lot of feelings about the US and maybe you have a specific situation that’s causing you troubles.
However, I’d recommend looking at other places in the country before looking at other places.
Moving is a huge expense, and if you lurk all the time on reddit or lemmy. You may start thinking that things are terrible, because you become emotionally invested in the outcome of a collective you can’t control.
In terms of other countries, the UK is going through the aftermath of Brexit, Italy is about to elect a controversial figure, France has some questionable anti-encryption policies under it’s belt. Another commenter mentioned Canadas downsides.
Looking at Asian countries like Japan and Korea, they are generally homogenous countries, and it takes much more work as a foreigner to make headway socially, with Japan moreso than Korea, to be fair. Compared to the USA, there is nary a country as diverse.
In the USA, there are many many places that can give you relative peace. Investing in local communities is much healthier than looking at huge national controversies, because usually local problems affect you more directly.
If you have the funds and resources and job security and drive to learn the language, I would say take a look at Switzerland. They’re relatively stable, neutral, and it’s a beautiful place there. I’d say it’s still quite homogenous though.
This isn’t meant to dissuade you from moving, but as someone who went through a period of depression due to the state of the country and it’s affect on my life, and has now found reasons to support the US wholeheartedly despite it’s problems, definitely look at quieter places in the USA, like some beach towns or mountainous towns in New Mexico.
What foreign languages do you speak? If you are a typical US citizen, your choice of destination countries is pretty limited. Especially if you want citizenship, you better be or quickly get fluent in the target countries native tongue.
I think everything is going to be fine. The US is not the best country to live in, yes. But there are worse places to go. I really have high hopes for the new generation coming in. The zoomers and millennials will eventually replace the old generation in terms of wielding power and the lot seems to be more into making the lives of their countrymen better.
Why not move to another state? Conditions where you are, are not necessarily the same everywhere. You can try researching for the best states to live in and see if any fits you in terms of your capacity and opportunities. At least you’ll still be in a culture that you are familiar with.
This is entirely dependent on who you are. My wife just had the highest court of the land tell her she has no medical privacy. Sure, right now it 's on state by state basis, but that can change. Every member of the supreme Court said under oath they wouldn’t overturn precident and yet here we are. I have no worries that anything bad will happen to me due to legislation, but I am a white cis male. My wife isn’t. My best friend is a POC. My inner circle is filled with nonbinary and poc. All these people are actually being affected by the “culture wars” in very real and tangible ways. Feeling like it’s all okay right now must be coming from a very privileged and secluded position. Having held multiple people that I love dearly while they cry because their rights were stripped changes your perspective on a lot of things.
Why not stay and fight for it? I truly believe that a lot more people are good and want what’s best for their fellow man. it’s just that there is a vocal minority that skews perspective. The majority is still for the common good whatever their background or religion/beliefs are.
As Mr. Roger’s said, “Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.”
There will always be helpers. I hope you won’t abandon your country since it needs all the helpers it can get.
I’m also a minority like your best friend. I have very limited opportunities, for now. But I see helpers in my life believe it or not. I want to fight for them and this country to help make it a better place too.
Things might not be fine. Throughout human history, on scales big and small, many people were not fine. Living in a crumbling empire can be a very ugly business.
Truly, I am happy you see it that way. I do not see it that way, and that’s not going to change until the “debates” our “two” party system have don’t include children having meals, or telling grown ass women what they can and can’t do with their own bodies. Or that gays aren’t human and don’t deserve the same rights as me. It’s disgusting, and I have had enough of it. As to the states suggestion, that’s a reasonable answer and I thank you for it. The issue still lies in the federal government has shown me they do not give a flying fuck about progressing, and instead want us to regress back to the dark ages. I would be at the mercy of some idiot getting elected into that state and doing the same things the rest of the corrupt assholes are doing. Enough is enough.
Not from US, but why do you wanna move out of US?
Many of us are tired of roleplaying Germany 1930.
When the general populace is agreeing with, and supporting people who have more wealth than 90% of the rest of the US, I can’t help but feel like I am insane and am held hostage by my “government”. Enough is enough man. Life is too short to sit here and constantly fight for rights that were already fought for lifetimes ago. It’s disgusting.
Apt username, and I sympathize. I’m perpetually astounded at the ignorance of mankind.
I chose it awhile ago since being awake feels like a lucid nightmare. Haha I am too, friend. It does make me a little happier to see another who feels the same.
Solidarity, brother.
You’re welcome to participate in my little effort to shift the political landscape.
Move to a coastal city in California, and you’ll find millions of like-minded people to surround yourself with. I don’t think this is the answer to our problems, mind you, but this State is drawing clear lines on progressive subjects. We also have a larger GDP than most countries… There’s alot of power in that.
We have a “two” party system that is slowly getting harder and harder to differentiate between the “two”. On one hand, we have a side that tells you sweet little lies that they never intend to actually keep to. The other is just using every dirty trick in the book to ruin what rights we did have, to make life harder for all but the wealthy, and generally fuck the people over for profits. It’s insane, and I feel insane having to sit here and watch as the “two” parties debate on wether or not children deserve provided meals, at a place they are legally required to be at. I do not want to be held hostage by my own “government” any longer. Enough is enough.
On one hand, we have a side that tells you sweet little lies that they never intend to actually keep to.
The other is just using every dirty trick in the book to ruin what rights we did have, to make life harder for all but the wealthy, and generally fuck the people over for profits.
You’ve described both parties with both sentences.
Indeed. And “two” is in quotations to further drill that point. On stage, one side will at least lie to your face. The other just doesn’t give a fuck and will tell you they’re going to take your rights away.
Actually, they’ll tell you they’re going to take someone else’s rights away and make you so hateful towards that group of people that you’ll gladly give up your own rights just to take away theirs.
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This is not Lucy, but I hope they are doing well!
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I recommend Norway.
Never been there :-) but they say the country has lots of money and their health system is very good.
We moved here from the US 3 years ago because my husband is considered a skilled worker and he got his visa that way. (Programmer) I was an RN in the US and was happy to cease doing that at the time of the move and don’t miss it one bit. However, I would say to anyone dreaming of a wonderful life in Norway - learn the language like, for real. It is so hard to find meaningful work here without being fluent, even though everyone under like 60yo speaks it very well. It’s required for basically every job, even those non-customer facing. But it is amazing here and I don’t miss the rat race capitalist consumerism society in the US at all. It’s safe and peaceful here.
I live there. And as someone else said, get a job that will relocate you or apply for a school is likely the easiest way in.
r/IWantOut has some pretty good resources, OP.
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