Mental health maintenance is a valid reason to use sick leave, and getting out of town to have some fun is exactly what people need from time to time. Her union should hire her a good lawyer to tell the district to pound sand.
The issue in this case is that if was planned with some time in advanced and notified the same day/day before.
If a coworker has any kind of emergency (family, health, mental) and takes the day off, I will sympathize, regardless of how that impacts me. If it’s planned but not communicated not so much.
Of course, I live in a country with 22+ paid days off + “unlimited” sick days and I in my role we usually are flexible with the time off. With very different conditions that might be more understandable.
When you live in a country where your vacation requests can be denied arbitrarily you might be tempted to just say ‘fuck em’ and let them know it’s not optional the day before you skip work.
Problem is, no one admits that and lies about it. So here we are. A lawyer can only help so much when you lie about it.
And they wonder why it is hard to find teachers.
Good for you lady. Life is short and teachers don’t get paid enough.
There won’t be any teachers soon.
In the US, that’s by design. But there will be theologists at private schools! And being private they can choose who attends.
Why is this in the news
That’s funny because my kids’ teachers all said no matter what we were actually doing, to just call the kids in as “sick”. Even if it was something else that was an excused absence. Sick was always the right answer.
My dad said for time off work, always say “urgent personal business” and leave it at that.
There’s this third party hotline we use to call in so it’s kind of separated in that they may not know our actual policy. Regardless anyone that has personal time knows what it’s for.
I called to use a personal day. “Hi I’m calling off for my shift tomorrow. I want to use a personal holiday.”
“Ok, why are you calling off?”
“Because I’m using a personal holiday. I have 30 hours left I want to use 10 tomorrow please.”
“Ok I have you for 10 hours personal holiday I just need a reason”
“I don’t need to provide a reason. It’s a personal holiday. As long as it’s no less than 8 hours before my shift, I just tell you guys I want to use a personal holiday. I don’t have to provide a reason.”
“So you don’t want to provide a reason?”
“No, thank you.”
That was basically the end of the conversation but I was just like “holy fuck lady please just stop” at the end. No one gives reasons for vacation days and personal holidays. Sick days ( if you’re lucky enough to have sick time) are implied. Even if I called off, didn’t have time to use and ate points, are you going to give me less points if I provide a reason? No. We’re not going to do that. We’re just being fucking nosey.
“I have plans” even if the plan is to sit on the couch in your underwear eating cheetos. “I’m going out of town” is similarly vague but people accept it.
That said I appreciate people like you who stick up for yourselves.
So, this whole “article” is pretty light on any details here.
Was this her first offense? Did she have vacation time and chose not to use it? Did she use up all of her vacation time and then chose to take sick days? Did she have other offenses that led up to this termination call?
I mean when I used to have a job with vacation/sick leave, no one ever got sacked for taking a sick day or two to just have some time off, UNLESS, it was chronic, you had other performance issues, or you used up all of your vacation and decided to game the system and took like a week long holiday anyways and got caught.
Was this in the U.S.? If in the U.S., sick days are ridiculously limited. So you’re damn right I’m going to use them all up through the year.
In Europe is different. They have protections for workers.
Most places I’ve taught in the US don’t have vacation days. You have sick days (10 a year, they stack), and personal days (3 a year, max of 5 before they turn into sick days).
What a hellhole.
Do remember teachers generally have three full months of off time every year, in addition to the above mentioned days.
Do remember that their “summers off” (which are often used to prep for the following year) are unpaid. Do also remember that when a person has been extremely stressed, their immune system will kick into high gear, helping to ward off illness during a time when energy is needed elsewhere. I.e. every paid break is spent being sick because your body finally went back to a normal immune system as you decompress. This, in turn, makes it difficult to enjoy your only actual vacation time.
Wow, I’ve never had that much time off when working. We get 5 sick days from the state and 0-5 from the district. You lose any district days that you don’t use, but you keep any state days that aren’t used.
One of the teachers had never taken a day off in his 30+ years and had a ton of state days. They wouldn’t let him donate more than 5 to a teacher who just gave birth, so she had to come back to work after just 2 months.
Yooo! Your personal days turn into sick days?! Goddamn, that’s nice. Ours are just use-or-lose.
Place I used to work at had your vacation days stack. Changed a lot to where it was use or lose and were able to not approve for what ever reason. Also told us not to take off around major holidays.
Changed out healthcare on us too. Became much worse. Found out high level employees had better vacation and better healthcare plans on top of that.
Woof, that sucks, this would be the only time I would be in favor of PTO.
Most places these days lump theb two together into “PTO” - mostly to shave a week or two of paid time put off us poor ununioned drones. Because America and capitalism suck.
Don’t get me started on PTO. Give me back my vacation and sick days.
In the USA I get 3 weeks paid vacation, 3 personal days, and more sick days than I ever need, about 2-3 accrue per month. But I have a good job, best one I’ve had yet.
Just an example of what is available out there to look for.
I have a family member that is a teacher. She gets 2 vacation days a year. The school argues it’s fair because they get summers off.
Unless they are getting paid over the summer, it’s not time off.
Most teachers get paid over the summer. Some districts allow you to get paid just during the weeks you work, but most spread the paychecks out over the year.
My wife is a teacher.
The problem with “summer holidays” is that you ultimately need to prep for your new classes, so you’re starting before the kids get in. Alongside this, going on holiday is very expensive, since holiday prices are jacked up when the kids are out of school.
It’s a very stressful job with few perks. With that being said, in the UK the pay isn’t awful if you make it to a good level. It’s still arguably low for the hours they put in.
They aren’t being paid for summer though. Most teachers have a daily rate of pay for each work day. They then take that and divide it by 12 and pay the teachers once a month.
The paychecks received in June and July are for work done earlier in the year that are delayed so that teachers can budget easier and so the district can earn some interest on it.
No they don’t, at least not in Texas. Here they get paid for the school year. Then they have the option to CHOOSE to have their pay spread out throughout the year. But unless they are teaching summer school, which is additional pay, they are not paid for the summer.
They have their paycheck spread out, they are not paid FOR that time.
Where I’m at, the teacher can opt in to take some of thwir salary and put it aside automatically to continue to receive a salary during the summer, most of my teachers growing up had another job during that time.
Right, but that’s not the same as getting paid over summer. All you’re doing is deferring some of your current paycheck until then. I quit teaching in June and “got paid” through the end of August. Not because they are paying a teacher who quit, but because that was money I had already earned, and they were just hanging on to it for me.
Why is this news?
What concert tho
If it was 2 days in Nashville, I want to believe it was for BTBAM’s 2-day/2-part concert “Colors II Experience” on March 26 and 27 at Basement East.
edit: nm
Documents … say that Washburn “falsified sick leave” on Feb. 8 and 9…
Fuck, I’d bail on work for 2 days to see BTBAM like that. I never got to see colors live.
Jonny Cash and the Deadites I assume.
TL/DR; Honest person penalized for doing something millions of people do dishonestly.
The continued rewarding of dishonesty shapes society.
If this is news then i should be a celebrity by now!
Not that i get fired a lot, but far more exciting things happen to me, than this!
I mean, that’s what happens when you pull a sickie to go to a concert.
No. Not really.
Sick time is personal time.
Yeah, no.
Uh, yes.
If she needed to falsify it, probably not
She owes them literally nothing more than “I won’t be in today.”
Despite what shitty bosses want you to think you are not required to divulge the nature of your absence to your employer when using allowable sick days.
That’s more a symptom of a rotten system that oppresses workers than an issue with her. I’m kinda surprised to see people like you on Lemmy.
Normal people?
Cunts that side with management.
Gonna be that guy, but…. Good. I’d have fired her too.
And replace her with whom?
