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    The important piece of this to me is this: She made $1 mil on OnlyFans and $42k/year as a teacher. She wants to be a teacher despite making plenty of money from other sources. This tells me that unless you have other evidence of impropriety she’s someone we want in the classroom. It also reinforces my stance, along with plenty of other studies that have been performed, that a universal basic income won’t stop people from working.

    Pay people better and we’ll just keep working because we like it. It’s part of being human, but we shouldn’t be suffering to survive at the same time.

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        Add in that id you don’t blow it all, you get to count the interest income. A long term investment gets about 6-7% per year. That’s actually more than the teaching job pay.

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          To go the other way, her tax bracket is a lot higher than the base salary alone would be. And if it’s $1m in a year, almost all of that will be in the highest bracket.

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            If shes single, her combined effective federal and Missouri income tax is around 40%, so she took home roughly 600k. If she’s married, then her total effective tax is 25%, so she took home 750k.

            For the 600k investment at a conservative 4%, which right now you can get in some savings accounts, her interest alone would be 24k/yr. For the 750k, it would be 30k/yr.

            With a more realistic return of 7-8% in today’s high interest rate markets, both of those sums would net more than her old salary of 42k/yr.

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      Case in point to your last part:

      I was fired at the beginning of the year. I had sufficient funds I coulda retired if I wanted to. I’m not quite 40.

      It’s been 2 months and I am so fucking bored I got a job. I didn’t go get a part time job to fill my time, I got a job in my field continuing to work at “my level” because it fulfills me.

      I’m now able to do what I want because I want to rather than because of some existential need. My work product is WAY better.

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      I can see a problem with kids in her school starting to see her as a sex worker rather than a teacher.

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      You can’t retire on $1m net worth. That’s not even a house in lots of areas.

      It definitely helps. But giving up my career for $1m would be a very bad investment.

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        Average investment returns are (conservatively) 8% per year, with a safe draw down being 4% per year. Which means she can safely withdraw $40,000/yr indefinitely without her investment decreasing in value over the long run.

        Easily enough to retire in a decent cost of living area if she wishes, or work a small side job to boost her income to support a higher cost of living.

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          Especially considering she was making $42k annually as a teacher (according to another comment, I didn’t actually read the article). So she was able to live on roughly that amount already.

          Realistically, she could continue to create OnlyFans content for some time and make and invest more than the initial $1m.

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          The safe withdraw for an extended early retirement is 3.5%

          With 4%, while the chance is small, you could end up running out of money.

          Someone did all the numbers for 35-40+ years looking back historically, and there were 4 or 5 years where if you started then and didn’t adjust your plan, you’d run out of cash.

          There were 0 scenarios where 3.5% ran out

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          yea but you can teach all life long, whereas on Onlyfans you… uh,… nevermind

          y’all misunderstood my post, I think. I was trying to joke about the fact that even if you’re getting on in years, there will always be an audience for your OnlyFans. Anywayyyy

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        Someone else calculated that $1 million is about 30 years of the teaching salary. So you cannot retire on a career either.

        If I were forced to choose I’d take the $1 million up front over a low-paying career and let it grow in the market while I found other work to avoid using it. $1 million up front over $1.3 million across 40-some years is a very good investment. Consider the decreased value of future money.

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          Not only that, 1 mil invested and making a modest 5% a year will return more than the teaching salary for doing nothing.

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        You can’t pay for groceries with your net worth but given million bucks I’d retire immediately. That amount of money invested to the stock market pays around 50 - 70k interests every year and you get to keep the million.

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        Yeah, except she can go makeinimum wage working full time for benefits and call it a day. You can live on minimum wage if you also have a mil in the bank to start. One door closed but a bunch of others opened. She can do that job you want that you don’t do because it doesn’t pay much.

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          Working full time isn’t retiring.

          You also have a weird notion about benefits, and employers willingness to give full time hours so you even qualify. But that’s not even the slightest bit related to this discussion.

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            Most folks with the degree and certification required to teach can find another full-time job that offers benefits, e.g. health insurance (which even a million dollars will get burned up quickly if a serious medical issue arises and you have no insurance).

            But I think the point you’re missing is that she can continue making shit loads of money on OF for as long as she can while also working another job, as OF isn’t exactly something you need to 8 hours a day to do (though, some models probably do when you factor in advertising and getting your name/rep established).

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        If you get a modest 5% return on that mil that’s $50k per year, which is more than her teaching salary for doing nothing.

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    A million dollars from OnlyFans and now she gets an employment law claim against the new employer.

    This may truly be the only way to get ahead as a teacher in the US…

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      The attractive teachers must have really been frustrated by me. I only cared if you were a cool teacher. Most of the time, the attractive teachers were not the cool teachers.

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      I might be a stray data point, but I had a smoking hot partial differential equations professor who dressed for the weather during the summer semester. Didn’t learn a damn thing.

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      For sure it’s different when kids would just find out and start downloading her naked photos. Then parents would find out and be insanely mad that kids are viewing their teacher’s naked photos. It’s different case than secretly fantasizing about your pretty teacher lol

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        They’re already watching porn and making nudes of their friends using photo editing software and AI tools. At this point I don’t quite understand what does it matter if they’re somehow able to find their teacher’s OnlyFans pictures.

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      My hottest teacher was just for homeroom. Full package. Leather skirt, leopard print satin top, high heels…

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    I love how the employer admitted to not checking her references or googling her beforehand.

    Can’t really blame her when they didn’t do their due diligence.

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      Yeah, the ones who hired a teacher without doing any sort of a background check are the ones who really should be fired. Imagine if they hired someone who was actually dangerous to their students.

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      When I was in high school, my 11th grade biology teacher was let go after 1 week because he didn’t have a teaching license

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    Maybe we should pay our teachers so they don’t have to do more work when they’re done with work so they can do stuff like not starve to death or have a roof over their head?

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    They claim that I violated their social media policy, but will not respond to me with how I violated it.

    This second part is what is going to get her a nice piece of damages. What was the policy? Was it spelled out when she started? Is Only Fans actually social media?

    The answers are: There’s a vague one that certainly doesn’t cover the use of OF; she wasn’t given it; and no, she’s an actress.

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      I mean, you can do all the things on only fans you do on Instagram so I would say it’s definitely at best social media, at worst porn platform

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        Hey, “A” for effort, but maybe next time you could turn in a revised and polished thought rather than the first thing that burbles to the surface?

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        Does the employment policy specifically make this distinction? Probably not. I can guarantee that they never thought of OF when the policy was written and OF may not have even existed back then.

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    After her OnlyFans became public, Coppage told KMOV that she made $1 million on the platform. Her yearly teaching salary was $42,000, she said at the time.

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    It feels like she knew she would get fired from this new job, leverage it nationwide articles and get even more subscribers to her OF page. She even references the teaching gig in her bio, and the new job in her latest posts.

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      Maybe. It doesn’t matter. Jobs shouldn’t be able to fire you because you get naked on the Internet, which requires you to pay to even see in the first place.

      Edit:

      @[email protected] made a great point about teacher/student dynamics and I can agree with that in most circumstances (e.g. the students are underage). I still think it’s ridiculous for her second, non-teaching job to fire her.

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        I’m a teacher and they specifically have guidelines on what you’re behavior online should be. Keeping your socials clean. Making sure my interactions with students are kept professional.

        The fact is that kids these days are nosey and great researchers. Having an only fans as an educator has a huge risk of students discovering it, and will ultimately change the relationship between student and teacher from a student/ teacher relationship to a viewer/ pornstar one.

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            This thread seems to fall into the “people who have no idea about the realities of teaching being confidently incorrect”.

            As someone somewhere said; if you want to lose faith in comment sections, go to a discussion on a topic that you are an expert on.

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              Thanks for adding some sanity and nuance to this conversation. I agree with the general sentiment here that stuff that a person does on the side of their career should not affect their employment for most careers, but when it is a teacher, especially one that works with minors, it’s a bit of a different dynamic.

              That being said, we should absolutely pay teachers enough so that they don’t have to get side gigs to survive. It is disgusting how little teachers are paid for the amount of work they do, and their importance to society as a whole.

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          to a viewer/ pornstar one

          And depending on their age, they might even have sex. People want one easy solution to all problems, but being a teacher and a regular office worker is not the same, hence the standards are different too.

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          Here’s a wild idea that seems to never catch on in 'murica - have the parents actually educate their children about how socially unacceptable that’d be.

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        Eh I disagree with some jobs. Teachers are supposed to be role models to students and keep certain things private.

        The problem is we aren’t paying teachers adequately for that. It reminds me of essential workers during the pandemic. If we need these people so badly, or we’re asking them to be role models and be private about certain things, then we should be paying them much, much more.

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          Even if teachers are supposed to be role models for students which I think is debatable it certainly is not applied outside the classroom. They will never be paid enough in any world to warrant them crafting their entire being as if they are some K-pop idols.

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            I’d take it a step further and say that nude modeling doesn’t make a bad role model. People don’t generally get into a line of work unless they want to or are pressured into it (directly or indirectly). Someone who doesn’t want anyone to see their body won’t start a nude OF just because their favorite teacher did it. They’ll start one because they want to sell nudes or because they want to pay bills and have exhausted other options.

            That last bit is more evil than any kind of voluntary sex work. People sell their bodies for worse things than sex work. Like mining, the farming work that depends on illegal immigrants (or legal ones whose bosses assume they won’t raise a stink if labour laws aren’t followed), or a bunch of factory or construction work that exposes people to fumes and dust they probably shouldn’t be inhaling. Shit that leaves them broken, or with cancer or some other disease that shortens their life. If someone can sell pictures of their bodies to avoid that kind of work, IMO that’s a good role model.

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        Gonna get roasted for this, but why?

        I think it’s pretty reasonable for an employer to fire someone for posting racist things on the Internet. I think we can all agree on that. Actions outside of work can have an effect on work and so I think it’s reasonable to make employment decisions based on how the employer acts outside of work. I would argue racism is morally wrong and sex work is not, but I don’t think it’s possible to define employment laws in a way that fits a universal moral code.

        I love the protected classes we have for employment now: age, gender, color, religion, etc. I think these protections are valuable to employees everyone, and I think they make sense because they don’t affect your ability to do the job. I having “does sex work on the side” on this list makes much less sense.

        I think many, maybe even most, jobs wouldn’t be affected by an employee having an onlyfans, and so in my opinion someone shouldn’t get fired for it most of the time. But I think there’s a clear line between the protected classes and people who post on onlyfans.

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          Simple answer. Most of us (and most of the world) thinks At-Will employment is barbaric.

          It is entirely reasonable to require some substantive effect to warrent termination, even if that substantive effect is not directly the teacher’s fault. Her having an onlyfans account, not grounds for firing. Her onlyfans account passed around by students? Grounds for termination.

          There’s a (not so new) trend in the US for companies to crack down on side gigs. Yes, sex work is a politically charged side-gig, but we shouldn’t ever be supporting a company’s right to fire people having side-gigs without a very good reason. So long as your side-gig never encroaches into your day job in any real (not hypothetical) way, there really isn’t a good reason.

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            I appreciate you taking the time to respond so thoughtfully.

            I hear what you’re saying about not firing someone until an actual effect on the business is felt. I think that makes sense in this situation but there’s certainly situations where you could find something out about an employee and should be able to fire them before it’s affecting the business. Maybe my accountant committed tax fraud when they filed their taxes. That’s totally in their personal life and if no one finds out about it, then it doesn’t affect the bussiness. I still think it would be totally reasonable to fire that person.

            I’ve worked my whole career in salary positions where side gigs are against my contract/need special approval so I think I’m just used to that way of thinking.

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    Her teacher salary was $42k. She made a million off OF. If she puts that into index fund she can replace her teacher salary at 4% WR.

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    Oh! Thats awful! What sites did she post her nudes to? Like which specific ones?

    Edit: this is a joke. Im devastated that i need to say this. How is it no obvious? Please do not send me links to her porn.

    Is there a reason to downvote me other than thinking im being serious? This is a serious subject, she should not be fired for having a hobby. I 100% believe that.

    I was just making a joke.

    1. I know how to google, if i wanted to i could probably find YOUR nudes (even if they dont exist)

    2. Its a reference to a tv show. Im personifying the joke performed by the character Mac.