EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)

  • atrielienz@lemmy.world
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    No offense but this is kind of what happens in real life too. Nazi shows up to local bar. Barman or owner doesn’t throw them out. Eventually they invite their friends. It winds up being known a Nazi bar. People who don’t want to associate with Nazis no longer visit the bar. This is why intolerance of the intolerant is a thing.

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        Tolerance is a social contract.

        If you refuse to be bound by it, then you are a direct threat to the contract, and those who follow it, and should be treated as such.

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        Yeah, but the difference is that the nazis wouldn’t be right or even honest, unlike the ones who oppose bigotry and genocide. You can’t tolerate intolerance to death.

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    This post assumes that a meaningful amount of defed instances are caused by simple lack of agreement. Often, it’s an orthogonal matter - it boils down to instance A actually understanding something about the userbase of instance B and saying “I’m not dealing with this shit, it’ll make the instance worse for its own users”. For example: the typical user of B might be disingenuous, or preach immoral prescriptions, behave like a chimp, or be a bloody stupid piece of trash that should’ve stayed in Reddit to avoid smearing its stupidity everywhere here.

    Are instance admins too eager to pull the trigger for defed? Perhaps, in some cases; specially because it handles groups of users instead of individuals. But those cases are better addressed through actual examples, not through a meme talking on generic grounds.

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    Defederating brigaders and trolls is necessary to maintain a healthy community. If your instance is defederated from all major instances, perhaps you should look examine what sort of company you keep.

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    ‘people posting stuff you consider harmful’ is not a simple, black and white issue. Anyone who pretends that allowing all opinions has no consequences is full of shit, anyone who claims that tightly policing opinions has no consequences is full of shit.

    Like almost everything in life, you will have to navigate a tenuous balance between these two things and you will never know if you got the balance right. You are just a sack of meat doomed to die.

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        People were saying that about cryogenics.

        Humans have a vast body of knowledge about how things work. It’s a shame its dwarfed by the vast body of knowledge we are completely ignorant of.

        Much as scientists managed to be surprised that life had evolved to eat garbage in the pacific garbage patch, it seems some will manage to be surprised that when humans eliminate one source of mortality, another inevitably evolves to take advantage of the ever-growing supply of humans.

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    Lmao “try and understand them” fuck off, OP. You’re not fooling anyone. There’s no point trying to understand assholes.

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      Assholes maybe. Nazis no. There is definitely a point where someone is beyond saving and you need to simply cut them off, and Nazis are far, far beyond that line.

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    I’m so glad that the comments have (mostly) finally unified in agreement that defederating Nazis and other hideous people is the right move.

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      We tried every other form of debate on the topic. If people are engaging in a discourse in bad faith in hopes that they will benefit from the publicity, your best option is to ignore them.

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      Unless the nazi wears red, then let him spew his holocaust denial because “western propaganda imperialism butwhatabout they deserved it it never happened.”

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      Well said. There is a lively song by the Dead Kennedys that explains with nuance and understanding this same sentiment.

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      You can’t enter a discussion with somebody who’s just trying to bombard you into submission. OP is wildly ignorant or just somebody sad they’re being defederated on a different account.

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    I don’t have the patience to discuss transphobes and I will never, ever, understand them. Just go fuck yourself and then kindly fuck off.

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      agreed, it’s tiring arguing with people who’d rather demonize others than consider questioning whatever youtube rabbit hole they fell down

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      When everyone you meet is an asshole, you are probably the real asshole.

      Funny how this works with social media as well.

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    You can’t tolerate nazis or tankies. Bad reasoning altogether. Look at the state the USA is in right now because we decided to tolerate fascists.

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      Exactly. The cancer may wear a swastika or a hammer-and-sickle. Either way, it’s authoritarian cancer.

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        You can see what OP is trying to do here though, even with his edits. He’s “both sides-ing” it up.

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      One of those groups is white supremacists and the other wants to stop genociding the global south. That seems like a fine comparison to you?

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    Not ITT, OP commenting on their own post. 3 day old account posting just to stir up shit. Obvious plant is obvious