It’s a dark time to be a tech worker right now::Nearly 300,000 tech employees have been laid off since last year, data shows.
It’s a dark time too be right now.
That’s why I’ll never have kids.
This is definitely not the main reason I’ll never have kids but it is absolutely on the list. Lmao
Imagine purposely bringing another being into this shit hole we live in. I could never.
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“It’s a good time to unionize tech workers right now…”
Best time to form a union was yesterday. Next best is today.
I remember seeing articles on habr about unionization and that it is better done now when it is eazy.
Is it easy? Tech salaries have crazy potential, I’m not sure I’d be willing to trade job security for the limitations on that potential that a collective agreement might impose. It’d still be a tough sell.
Is it easy?
Relative to possible future? Sure.
the limitations on that potential that a collective agreement might impose.
I’m trying to imagine it… Trying to imagine “and salary shall not be more than xxx$/hr” in collective agreement. Sorry, I can’t.
Salaries != Wages. Found the dev who needs a union lol
I wanted to say whatever “оклад” from russian labour laws translates to. Amount of money that will be paid no matter what.
Executives: We’re doing more with less!
grinding, screeching noises coming from the engine room
Executives: Better profits! Lower costs!
grinding, screeching noises coming from the engine room
To be fair, those are the normal TARDIS sounds.
On the other hand, Dr Who doesn’t have an engineering or SRE staff.
On the other hand, Dr Who doesn’t have an engineering or SRE staff.
Exactly! That’s why TARDIS is full on fuel.
Dotcom bubble. 2008 crash. Covid. Now this.
We’ve all been through these. Buckle down. Ignore the outliers. It’s a chance to rethink and do what matters to you.
Also, ALWAYS have a Plan B, C, and D.
When it was a dark time for the empire the shogun cut off the heads of 141 lords… Maybe we should start there.
Land lords
I work at a large tech company, and the feeling here is unlike anything I’ve ever felt before. There are a few camps:
- Workers on visas that are utterly petrified of losing their jobs, and are struggling to plan for anything long-term, since companies that lay people off can’t file green cards for employees.
- Workers that are just numb to everything. They don’t give a fuck, they are jaded with the bullshit their employer pulls, and work is just work.
- People that would happily take a voluntary layoff to GTFO, spend some time with family, and potentially move to something better.
What seems to be the dominating feeling that everyone has, is that they no longer support their leaders. They feel there are too many middle-managers, they realise that their C-Suite staff are fucking useless, and the CEO’s are almost universally awful as leaders. Sundar has caused Google to nose-dive in popularity, Jassy is so ineffective that no one even knows he is CEO, Musk is a known sociopath going through a mental breakdown, Zuck bet everything on VR to mask huge privacy/product failings, and alongside all of this are dozens of CEO’s that forced employees back to the office or laid people off for bullshit reasons.
My hope from this dark time is that companies arise that focus on the employee first, learn from the mistakes made by big tech, and purposefully manoeuvre around FAANG until they are relegated to boomer tech. Until then, like most SWE’s, I’m just hoping things get better soon…
Are you referring specifically to the big, popular tech companies everyone knows about or to the whole industry? Because there are a lot of smaller companies who aren’t yet run by psychopaths, at least not any more than usual.
I trust my boss but his boss is the CEO and I think the CEO is a piece of garbage.
I like your optimism. What would an employee first focused company look like?
I would say it would be similar to Google from the early-ish 2000’s. Lots of offices worldwide to facilitate in-office working and immigration issues, while also having freedom to work remotely if desired. Also, a structure that leads with empathy, and managers judged on not just output but employee happiness.
There was a lot of freedom in big tech over the last few years. I could transfer pretty much worldwide within a month, I could work on several different moonshot industries with no worry of losing my job (because I’d just transfer to another team), and the market was good enough that if push came to shove I could take some time off and find a new role with minimal issues. I think an employee focused company would keep that freedom, while also keeping employees happy and without fearing for their job.
1k job applications since June I’m ready for the inevitable end
700+ applications and multiple recruiting companies later and still only 3 interviews since May. With almost a decade of software development experience. It’s actually a little reassuring that I’m not alone here and it’s not just a problem with me. Best of luck in your search friend!
Ok whew I thought I was just doing something wrong. Glad to hear but also not glad to hear figuring what we’re having to go through
Just wanted to drop this update in here for anybody going through this now: I finally got a job offer, but it took over 1700 total applications, and 11 months! I hope you have had some luck in finding something since your original comment!
All the best to you, my dude.
If people randomly drew your name out of a hat, on average you would have to apply to “the average number of applicants for positions you are applying for” number of jobs to get hired. Keep at it, some jobs see thousands of applicants.
I wouldn’t be too concerned. 300k is not really that many compared to the size of the industry. And there is a ton of aging software that is falling apart due to a lack of investment. Like the airlines. And all the utilities that keep getting hacked. And hospitals. With governments starting to hold companies responsible for getting hacked, there will be jobs to rebuild hold software a plenty.
So they’re juicing their profit margins for a couple years. Let’s see what happens in another couple years when they failed to invest in the next things because they laid everyone off.
And seeing what mass copyright infringement corporation OpenAI just dropped we can expect it to be a million more by the end of the year.
Explain me like I’m five - why?
Because the big tech companies are laying off, all the tech companies have decided they too need to layoff people to lower costs, improve profits, report better earnings, etc.
Fast forward to next year when they’re up shit creek because their skeleton crews can’t possibly do All The Things. Executives retire, take huge bonuses; repeat.
Reminds joke from Ekaterina Shulman:
New governor gets elected and old governor says to new one: “In my office there is safe, there are three letters in it. When you can’t hold your position read one letter.”
Letters were:
- Blame everything on me
- Fire deputy
- Write 3 letters to next governor
There’s no evidence that the layoffs at these firms are actually tech workers. Tons of other positions exist at these companies, like managers, sales, marketing, support staff.
My money is on administrative/clerical. This is the easiest to automate.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. I personally know multiple devs who were laid off from my company. These companies don’t give a shit about your skills anymore, they’re purely looking at how much money you cost them.
Devs are getting laid off, but he actually does have a point that in the case of several of the biggest companies, the hardest hit were middle management, not devs.
Interest rates were low, which made banks lend money very cheaply. It also led to a lot of money being put in the stock market, which made it go up.
Companies used that money to, in part, hire people. A lot of people. The stock market doing well also means businesses try to grow, because everyone is spending more money.
Interest rates are starting to come back up. This means loans are more expensive, which means there’s less cash available. It also means there’s less money in the stock market.
Less cash on hand and lower stock value makes businesses want to cut costs, and people are very expensive, particularly in the tech sector.
Additionally, commercial real estate is running into major problems: people don’t want or need to work in offices.
This means the contracts are being allowed to expire, and less money for the large companies that own the properties.A lot of money is invested in these companies. Anticipation of them doing badly makes companies fear an economic downturn.
So with less money available, less tolerance for risk in the stock market, and a fear of a significant economic upset, companies are looking to cut expenses, and people hired because cash was cheap and risk was okay are easy to justify cutting.
They ideally would like to let go of people they can do without, keep their stock price high, and when the market bottoms out spend the cash they can justify with their high price to buy viable companies at a discount.
Thank you!
The industry is experiencing historic shrinkage post COVID due to unsustainable growth during COVID.
Startups need a lot of capital flowing in because they don’t turn a profit early on. Traditional smaller businesses usually don’t have this sort of funding because the reward is lower. With tech, there’s a strong chance that company could become public or could get bought out. Or it could stay private and eventually become profitable. Regardless, they need investments made so they can continue to operate to eventually deliver a valuable product that will possibly offer significant returns to the investors.
The pandemic happened, which led to several outcomes. For one, a lot of boomers retired. Boomers were earning a lot of money. Then they stopped earning money and started dipping into their savings. This had a strong reaction. Capital became more scarce. Don’t believe me? Look at what banks are paying for 12-month CDs and the interest rates in savings accounts. It’s insanely high compared to two or three years ago.
This trend likely won’t last forever. Gen Xers and millennials have been moving into vacated roles by the boomers and are now earning more than before. They’re able to generate excess capital that investors can use to fund startups. There’s no shortage of innovative ideas in the western world, but there is a shortage of capital.
Not every county in the west is going to recover the same way. The boomer generation is the largest generation in history. Not every country kept having kids at a relatively similar pace. Typically, developing countries have much higher population growth. As countries industrialize, we see certain trends like both men and women joining the workforce and people moving to the cities for work. People generally have fewer kids with these trends as they are more focused on their careers and have less room to raise them. Nobody wants to raise a child in a one-bed apartment!
The United States is one of the rare exceptions. With a trend of consistent domestic population growth and immigration, the U.S. has avoided the fallout from rapid industrialization. Because of that, we’re seeing some interesting trends:
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Under Biden, the post-pandemic POTUS, the U.S. has entered a prolonged period of rapid onshoring of manufacturing jobs. The addition of factories, distribution centers, and more have been increasing exponentially.
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Germany, Italy, South Korea, Japan, and other similar economies have seen the impacts of a shrinking younger population and a ballooning senior population. These nations will likely keep the design of their products onshore, but will send manufacturing offshore. The U.S. and Mexico are the biggest winners here, but Mexico is at a disadvantage compared to the U.S. due to a greater difficultly in maintaining infrastructure.
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Emerging technologies make the production of goods in the U.S. more feasible. Advancements in AI, robotics, and renewable energy will make production in the U.S. more logical despite the higher wages its workers command because less workers will be needed, or other savings in the realm of security, stability, and access to transportation infrastructure offset that factor.
There will not only be excess capital generation in the U.S., but there will also be excess capital flowing into the U.S. It’s also not to say that tech jobs will never recover outside of the U.S., but the reality is that we are in a capital shortage for a specific, acute reason. Less people of working age able to not only fill the vacated roles left by boomers, but also difficultly in paying the pensions and benefits offered to retirees. This will dry up even more capital in those particular nations.
Tech jobs have always been finicky. That won’t change going forward. But if you’re in the U.S., there’s a strong chance you’ll see things bounce back quicker than they will in other countries.
Wow, thanks for such a thorough answer!
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So you are telling me that there is now 300,000 tech workers now able to focus on open source projects to keep their foot in the coding door while they drive forklifts or serve McDonald while waiting on the AI hiring bots to read their resumes?
Problem being, because big tech money has so distorted the economies of the cities it’s clustered in, many of these people can only choose between finding another tech job ASAP, moving away from their industry to a lower cost metro with limited job opportunities, or imminent homelessness. Driving a forklift won’t pay the rent, and commercial real estate is so absurdly priced that there may not even be a restaurant to wait tables at.
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Unemployment is at record lows. Some sectors are hiring a lot more people than the tech sector is shedding. It’s not really complicated.
Job sectors come and go, grow and shrink. Imagine how silly I would sound if I said: “there is almost no work for horse cart builders but the gov says that unemployment is at record lows, how can this be?”
Because the economy has added more than 300k jobs in 3 single months over the past year. If you go back to the beginning of 22, that number goes up to 9.
While 300k jobs sounds like a big number, represents a small fraction of our economy. It doesn’t even account for 0.2% of total employment. And that’s over a year.
That being said, I’m glad I snagged my job when I did and that I’m being treated like I’m excelling at it.
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I’m sorry about your situation, but i absolutely fail to see what this has to do with the point.