Recovered alcoholic since 2017.
One of the trippiest parts about getting sober was experiencing something called “REM rebound” where you dream intensely and vividly all night long, night after night. The way it was explained to me is that alcohol inhibits REM sleep to such a degree that it’s like it has to catch up for lost time. It’s exhausting but also an interesting experience, I’ll say that much.
It took quite some time to feel like I got a restful sleep, but oh man, what a difference when I did! Reflecting on my drunken decade, I don’t think I knew what a good night’s sleep was. I felt like I was sleeping, but it’s more like I was passing out from alcohol overdose day after day. It’s no wonder I was constantly depressed and suicidal all those years.
That and the “pink cloud” phase (which I wish could’ve lasted forever) were the most interesting parts about becoming sober.
Marijuana also hampers REM sleep, so daily smokers experience the same thing when they take a T break or get sober. I’d be interested to see a similar study for weed, especially since it’s marketed as a sleep aid
I’m a generally habitual pot smoker who has long periods of sobriety due to switching jobs or a few times to support my wife during her pregnancies and I can say that without fail about a week after I stop cannabis I start having super intense dreams for about two weeks then normal dreams after that. When I go back to smoking, I stop dreaming after around a week of use. My sleep quality generally increases without cannabis but I do have ptsd associated nightmares, sweating, yelling etc. Cannabis completely stops my dreaming but I need like 9 or 10 hours of sleep to feel as rested as I do with 6 hrs sober.
My husband uses weed for the same exact reason as you, and we’ve noticed this as well. He needs a few more hours of sleep to feel rested, but the fact that he is sleeping peacefully without the horrible nightmares makes me so happy. He tried so many different things for so many years, but getting his medical card has been a game changer.
It varies person to person but yes (personal experience)
Yes, and oddly enough in my husband’s case, I feel like that’s helped him immensely with his PTSD induced nightmares so much, with fewer nasty side effects than what he was taking before. His provider even mentioned that it would likely help with the dreams when she helped him get his medical card. Probably less than ideal for the general smoker, though!
This is very interesting, and thank you for sharing your story. I am unfamiliar with the “pink cloud” phase; do you mind elaborating?
Not at all. I don’t know the exact mechanism, but a lot of people experience a period of intense unbridled happiness while becoming sober. It only lasts a couple of weeks to a month, but it’s so great when it happens. I’d dance by myself listening to music and just be happy as a kid on a snow day. Some people have described it as having “rainbows shooting out your asshole.” I wish I could feel like that all the time.
That sounds amazing; it’s unfortunate that you have to go through hell first. About how long after being sober does it occur? Or does it differ between people and how much alcohol they consumed regularly beforehand?
And congrats on staying sober for so long! That’s a huge accomplishment and you should be proud of yourself!
Thanks! And I’m not sure to be honest. I never heard of it until I mentioned in AA how happy I’d been feeling lately. I’d say it was maybe 4 weeks into my sobriety? But as with a lot of things, I’m sure it can vary wildly.
I was pretty deep in, and I couldn’t afford the medical support I should have had because I lost my career and I was also legally forbidden to drink alcohol for one year. It got so much easier after the first year and a half to two years, but I still remind myself every day that I’m choosing not to drink because anyone can easily become an addict or alcoholic.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, and I wish you the best of luck in the future!
Thank you so much
It’s like your receptors lighting back up and realizing that they can experience all of this unbridled and uninhibited again. That feeling of “the joy is coming from inside!”. Personally, it’s like your body waking back up and coming out of a deep fog.
So, just drink in the morning, simple.
I drink very little, usually only one or two beers a week. But on the rare occasion I have a couple drinks with friends late at night, I sleep like a baby. I feel well rested after only 4-6 hours, and actually have dreams almost every time. Which doesn’t happen most nights without alcohol.
I find this a little alarming, as I see how that could be habit forming. But yeah, alcohol seems to drastically improve my sleep, though I haven’t given this thorough testing for obvious reasons.
I drink may be once a quarter or 6 months . I don’t remember last time drank. But when I drink ( that too only red wine a glass ) I sleep very nicely, very deeply and I feel refreshed next day, and all stress if there is any or thoughts causing disturbance are not felt at all next day
I suspect you have that sleep mutation which allows you to feel rested after only 4-6 hours. That’s not enough sleep to be well rested even without alcohol.
The author of the article took bit of liberty with a “even a small amount”. 0.08 BAC is around 2-3 drinks for most people depending on sex and weight. It’s also legally drunk in most places.
So what the study is slowing us yet more proof why overuse of alcohol is detrimental to a person’s health. The only thing interesting in this study is it shows possible evidence of the mechanism that causes the harm.
Studies have consistently shown that anything above 1-2 drinks daily or 0.04-0.06 BAC is bad for your health. As with any other drug, the correct dosage is key.
Now why the study authors decided not to include a 0.04 BAC level control in their study is beyond me. The lower dose repeatedly shows benefits in large scale population studies.
Can you expand on the “lower dose benefits”? I assumed that the benefits of wine were related to antioxidants in certain drinks rather than the alcohol itself.
They originally theorized it was the antioxidants 30+ years ago. However more recent papers have shown that it’s the alcohol itself that has the benefits, at the right dosage.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jacc.2007.04.089
Here is one of the better writups I have found on the subject.
Aperitif, not nightcap, is the way I roll. Found out a long term ago it is bad for my sleep to be even remotely buzzed, at all. I sleep sober, only. If I am having a drink it’s before supper, if I miss the window I just don’t, no big deal.
But I know so many people who say they sleep better with one drink at night before bed, are they all wrong?
are they all wrong?
I’ve always heard so many people talk about how epic their sleep and dreams are after quitting alcohol OR weed, people who never quit or take a break would just never know.
Yes.
Wild that you’re being down voted, the study literally discusses this and there’s plenty of others. My ex is an alcoholic and would claim it helped him sleep, but I saw him get a few hours at best with high consumption, and when consumption lowered he’d sleep longer and with better quality without waking up as frequently. People claiming it helps them are lying to themselves, as is the nature of addiction.
So can looking at screens. And temperature. And eating spicy food. And…
Personal anecdote. My drinking days are long over, and now I limit my alcohol consumption to 1-2 drinks on Friday, right after work. The alcohol varies - a beer, a cider, 2 glasses of wine, or a glass of hot whiskey on particularly cold evenings. I also do a lot of fitness, so I’m monitoring my health pretty closely, in particular HRV at night, which is an amazing indicator of my sleep quality and overall health. I have a nearly perfect correlation between an evening drink and a drop of HRV into red zones, and the corresponding drop in sleep quality. The effect of the drink is so strong that I skip it altogether if I plan on having a long hard run the next day.
Loads of anti-science types in this community.
Just take it for what it’s worth instead of offering your reason of why the study can’t possibly be of any use to anyone.
OH MAN am I looking forward to the day I quit social media for good.
Sorry to detract a bit, though in what ways could this be compared to effects with cannabis (since cannabis has been known to cause the user to skip REM or a great deal of it)?
