its ridiculous the number of fucking nintendo stans that are crying for nintendo to do something about Palworld.
Nintendo is the most litigeous company in the world (They fucking DCMA’d themselves for fucks sake) , If Palworld violated anything and Nintendo had actual opportunity to sue for anything… They’d have done so long ago.
They fucking DCMA’d themselves for fucks sake
Oh, I want to hear the story behind this.
they had a complete meltdown when some people got tears of the kingdom early via shipping mishaps, so went on a massive rampage of DMCA notices to take down everything mentioning it. Youtube Videos, News Articles (that contained nothing but nintendo released official screen shots/images), and their own twitter account advertising the fucking game…
The statement sounds like PR speak for, please stop telling us about palworld, we’ve heard already.
I’m sure they have been inundated by panicked investors contacting them after reading the words, “pokemon with guns” in the news. The statement should reassure them that the company takes defending their IP seriously.
The game’s been out long enough for them to write a cease and desist if they wanted to get litigious.
Pretty much yeah. Mostly just “Yes, we know.” If they had any real chance of killing it off, they’d have done so before the game even launched. They’ll make a big show of looking into it, then grumpily admit there wasn’t technically any wrongdoing and, while they don’t support Palworld, they can’t actually stop it.
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In your legal opinion, what in Palword specifically infringes on Pokemon’s trade marks or copyrights?
Yeah Nintendo tends to move pretty quick on these things. From what I’ve seen there’s not an obvious objection that wouldn’t also include things like Digimon.
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Fuck game freak. Like they cant even fix there own games and shit.
Right!? Palworld is just the game players have been begging for for a decade.
I wouldn’t go that far.
I can see why people who were into Ark, Valheim, Fortnite, Minecraft; however, it’s just like any other survival builder game. It just has Pokemon in it. I don’t see the hype.
It just has Pokemon in it.
That’s the point!
Well, Palworld developer now have $200 million more than a week ago so now they can afford lawyers as good as the Pokémon company.
It takes weeks until they see any of that Steam money from a game they just released in early access. Though a bank might likely give them a hefty loan now for a proper defense. But let‘s not pretend Japan copyright and trademark laws are lenient or reasonable and Nintendo is basically a national treasure. If Pocketpair was based in any other country it would be different but here we really do not know how it could go.
Imagine thinking steam is their only revenue.
It is actually with how it’s currently locked behind a Microsoft contract
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At this point it would be better for nintendo to buy palworld from the delveloper and make pokemon multiversal with palworld existing in an alternate universe.
That way they could cash in on the massive success, separate it from their actual pokemon IP all whilst appeasing fans of palworld by keeping the game alive.
You seem to think they would put any value in appeasing fans of Palworld. They’re not even interested in appeasing their own fans. If they could publicly behead Palworld for all it’s fans to see they’d do it just to send a message.
Absorb the business or kill it. Either way, nintendo won’t lose sales to palworld.
Its the best move. Fighting it in court is just going to make the pokemon company look bad and if the news goes viral it will lose them money eventually as people move on from pokemon. Its almost 30 years old now. Nothing lasts forever.
side-eyes the MCU
Assuming they bought it, they’d probably just shut it down.
Win win for pokemon though right?
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Why would Nintendo buy something that plagiarized them? They only buy independent stuff like how they did with Super Mario Bros 2
Palworld didn’t plagiarize them. This is what the kids call a nothingburger.
Obviously there are loads of similar designs, but in a way that indicates illegal asset stealing? That’s a different question, and so-called “lazy design” aping on other creations doesn’t qualify as actual theft unless it can be explicitly proven.
More grimly, it is a big corporation trying to squash an upstart competitor and suppress art. If they succeed then it is truly dystopian and a sign that we need more legal protections against overzealous copyright litigators.
I didnt k ow about this. Just read about it now. Wow. Really interesting. I want to try the Japanese super mario bros 2 now haha.
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Actually, pokemon is owned by nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures. It’s a joint ownership. Look it up.
Palworld didn’t steal their IP. They very closely mimicked the IP and potentially with just enough legal distinction to claim its not infringement.
Your analogy would be much more relevant if it was i own a bike company and another company started selling bikes that were extremely similar to my design which disrupted my sales.
In which casez yes i absolutely would buy out the other bike company before i lost too much business and either close it down or absorb it into my own business. This is not a terrible idea its a fairly common business practice.
But ok…
Not even that. They took the broad genre and used it to make what fans have been asking for for literal decades
Fuck the pokemon company
I wish that consumers would act as hostile to the IP of this company and its parent as it acts towards other companies.
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By Freaky Friday rules you would just be giving them another identity to send in affirming reports.
Per copyright law in the United States, the designs must be 15% different to create one’s own artistic copyright. They’re several that are close, but 15% isn’t that much. Obviously Nintendo isn’t a US company, but it’ll be interesting to set how this goes
How the fuck do you even define a percentage point of difference for a creature’s design ?
They do that mario party game where you trace the outline
Pretty sure this is a common myth. I’m curious if anyone has a source on this.
I minored in business law and we were taught this
Your teaching professor likely misinterpreted the fair use doctrine’s wording. Apparently this is a common mistake. I made sure to look this up.
Both Nintendo and Pocketpair are Japanese companies and their copyright laws are MUCH more harsh. In fact Japan even lacks concepts of “Fair use”
Add to that the fact that public opinion also matters intensely in Japanese courts (think juries) and that Pokémon is considered a national treasure and well… Things are stacked against Pocketpair
I mean. The guy who “broke” the story of IP “theft” in pal world admitted he made it up. Basically scaled models etc to make them look similar on purpose.
Oh man time to bring out the popcorn.
The Palworld fanboys are already trying to mental gymnastics their way out of this “It’s just PR! Gamefreak is bluffing!!!1”
Who in Palworld even allowed release of the game with certain assets that look so much like Pokémon? I mean, it doesn’t even need that.
The author of the article doubts Nintendo will do anything, but they certainly will.
Someone with knowledge actually analysed a few models and ended up making this statement too. With Japans stricter copyright laws this might become a problem for Pocketpair
Regardless, considering the Companies history with Craftopia and a few other games, we shouldn’t get our hopes up anyways. This company has a habit of plagiarising relatively popular games (BOTW, Hollow Knight) then never delivering a fully fleshed out product.
Did they say how they analyzed the models? Because looking at the silhouette and other similarities isn’t enough to prove plagiarism when it comes to 3d models.
What you have to do is open up both the original and the suspected copy models and select a couple of similar vertices (the points that give the model geometry) and compare the position down to the decimal place. If they are even a little off, then it isn’t a copy.
The “analysis” here was a guy assuming a video he watched was truthful. Spoiler, it wasn’t. The original video comparing assets was confirmed to have faked its analysis.
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Certainly won’t fly in Japanese courts
I would upload the dudes files but they’re MP4. Any good way to upload those to Lemmy? Or a good third party service you recommend I can link here?
GameFreak sucks big time, one of the worst first party devs Nintendo has in their roster, but Palworld is such a bland, uninspired and generic attempt at copying Pokemon that I still can’t fathom how it became so popular.
Because people have been asking and craving for an actually good and fun new Pokémon game for yeaaars now, and Palworld delivered just that. It gives the people what they want.
People think it cool to hate on things that are popular, but this one makes perfect sense. It’s popular because it does what Gamefreak has been refusing to do for decades now.
You can’t really argue that it is a pokemon game tho. The gameloop is a complete different one. The only thing they have in common are uninspired monster designs. And maybe the that you catch them with a ball.
Persona games have more in common with pokemon games than palworld does.
The game isn’t on switch so I bet a lot of the people saying it’s a ripoff haven’t even played it.
