• rdri@lemmy.world
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    Deep down we know that doing terrorism will not solve any problems.

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        You think they will still be at it if they are given every hamas member?

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      Viet Cong’s success in reuniting Vietnam says otherwise.

      Attacking villages, taking hostages, and using guerilla tactics (like both Viet Cong did and Hamas are doing) are just the most effective ways of driving out an occupying force, and they wouldn’t be necessary if the oppressors weren’t there in the first place.

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        So you’re telling that hamas didn’t do anything wrong and they will succeed?

        It’s interesting how some people blame Israel for being oppressors while others blame it for establishing hamas.

        It’s also interesting how some people say terrorism is not useless because there is “some” history, but others are upset by how Israel is doing it too, apparently.

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          None of these are mutually exclusive statements. You can understand that Israel propped up Hamas to label their aggressive tactics as “terrorism” and use that against all Palestinians, while understanding that those “terrorist” tactics can indeed be effective.

          The US propped up the Taliban and other right-wing terrorist groups in Afganistan in the 80s to oppose their then secular Socialist gov and the supporting USSR, and we all know how that came back to bite them later. Just because a country props a group up doesn’t mean it’ll always keep doing things beneficial to them.

          are upset by how Israel is doing it too

          “Terrorist” tactics (or anything really) used for the sake of driving out a settler colonial ethnostate (a good thing) - like Hamas are doing and Viet Cong did - is good, while those tactics when used to oppress and commit genocide on a native population (a bad thing) - like Israel is doing - is bad. This isn’t that hard to understand.

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            Israel propped up Hamas to label their aggressive tactics as “terrorism”

            Can’t seem to identify the bad actor here. Would you help out?

            The US propped up the Taliban and other right-wing terrorist groups

            You mean Taliban good, USA bad?

            “Terrorist” tactics (or anything really) used for the sake of driving out a settler colonial ethnostate (a good thing) - like Hamas are doing and Viet Cong did - is good, while those tactics when used to oppress and commit genocide on a native population (a bad thing) - like Israel is doing - is bad. This isn’t that hard to understand.

            I understand that you think hamas will succeed in driving Israel out. Since all the current events are the result of hamas’ actions and the expected process of driving Israel out, I don’t see why wouldn’t we just sit and watch it till the end. Since terrorism is excusable, all the casualties are the price of Palestine getting real independence.

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          Seeing libs both-siding a genocide and colonialism in the present day honestly makes it much easier to understand how slavery was so prevalent for so long.

          Decolonization is violent; if you don’t like it, don’t colonize in the first place.

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            Decolonization is violent

            This is like saying nuclear bomb kills a lot of people. I agree. But is it happening in current reality?