• protist@mander.xyz
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      Healthy food is absolutely not a luxury item. I’ll accept the argument that the time to prepare healthy food is a luxury, but in almost every corner of the US you will find basic ingredients (eg rice, beans, carrots, celery, corn, potatoes, pasta) are way less expensive than the pre-prepared slop in boxes in the middle aisles of the store. People are addicted to that sugary shit and actively choose it

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          I don’t think those are mutually exclusive. However, it takes energy and willpower to make a choice that goes against the nature of the addiction.

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          Addiction means you have a strong impulse for it, but at the end of the day you’re still choosing.

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        “People are addicted” and “actively choose it” are contradictory statements. Addiction is a disease, not a personal failing.

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          I’d only refute the "active"part.

          You physically choose to locomote towards the counter to make the purchase, you physically choose to lift the cup to your mouth.

          The problem is your own mind is working against you to make that physical choice seem absolutely mandatory, via the importance of chemical signaling

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          They still are choosing sugar?

          I’m addicted to nicotine and I actively choose to hit my vape, for example.

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          Agree it’s a disease, but it’s also a choice. You choose to buy a big gulp when you crave it.

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        I know about the uk but not USA. Food inequality is quite a big problem for low-income households.

        https://www.turn2us.org.uk/T2UWebsite/media/Documents/Communications documents/Living-Without-Report-Final-Web.pdf

        (Millions of Britons live without a freezer or oven)

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8976549/

        (A large number of britons who dont own a car live over a mile from an outlet selling healthy food)

        Etc

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        almost every corner of the US you will find basic ingredients (eg rice, beans, carrots, celery, corn, potatoes, pasta) are way less expensive than the pre-prepared slop in boxes

        Someone never heard about food deserts.

        People are addicted to that sugary shit and actively choose it

        Way to victim-blame both addicts and people with little to no healthy choices available.

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          Huh, guess I might technically live in a food dessert

          low-income census tracts that are more than one mile from a supermarket in urban or suburban areas and more than 10 miles from a supermarket in rural areas.

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            More than 1 mile in suburban areas is extremely common, but I wouldn’t consider most of them to be good desserts.

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          However, a number of studies suggest that poor health in “food deserts” is primarily caused by differences in demand for healthy food, rather than differences in availability.

          Low healthy food demand == choosing sugar

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            First of all, that’s one “devil’s advocate however” in an article full of information to the contrary.

            Second of all, I’d be interested in seeing who funded those studies. Lobbying groups for different unhealthy foods as well as grocery stores looking for excuses to not cater to poor people often fund junk studies that say exactly what they want them to. Just like Big Tobacco did and political groups still do.

            Third, addiction still ≠ choice and sugar is more addictive than most narcotics.

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        I was also reading an article about nutritional quality of food itself has been declining over the last 50 years. So to get the same nutritional amount, you need to eat more food period.

        There’s also bigger systemic issues about food access that is driving people to “choose” it. Lack of time, cost, availability, transportation all factor in that are beyond a simple idea if a person having a pure choice between two equal (or even somewhat equal) options.

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        Many people in the US also live in food deserts where easy access to healthy food IS a luxuary due to simply not being able to buy it where they live or work.

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      Healthy food is very cheap.

      Time to prepare and access may contribute, but the food itself is not a luxury item.

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        This little bit of news has been hitting the media circuit this week: Americans are eating a meal’s worth of calories in snack foods every day

        …the average American had between 400 and 500 calories worth of snacks a day, which is typically more than what they ate at breakfast. Even worse, the snacks usually carried little to no nutritional value

        All food has gotten expensive due to inflation/greedflation, but (at least in my area) snacks, desserts, and some sugary drinks got hit especially hard. Except maybe for people living in food deserts, snacks are way more of a luxury good than “whole” foods are nowadays.

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      Why is it either or? I can see a world where computer enthusiasts tend to be a bit more physically inactive than the median

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      Also fucked up is that fat doesn’t = bad. I dunno when this came about but you can be unhealthy and skinny as well, and you can be unhealthy and jacked. I won’t say that, kind of along the lines of a bodybuilder, it’s easy to be healthy and be fat, but you can do it. Sumo wrestlers. You want that subcutaneous fat, and not that visceral fat, and you wanna have good cardio and heart health.

      Part of the reason why people become super fat is because they enter a kind of death spiral where they don’t believe they’ll ever get better, and then they eat more, because what’s the point if you’ll never get better at all. Part of the reason why they think they’ll never get better is because people are constantly telling them that’s the case, and that they’re at fault for being the way they are, when usually people get really fat through some childhood trauma or mental disorder. I’m not gonna blame someone for that, or demand they “take responsibility” for it. Especially if them “taking responsibility” for it just ends up making them eat more slop.

      It’s really not that complicated. Positive reinforcement and active help is a lot better in these situations than demanding that people be held accountable for being so fat, or that it’s their choice, or whatever. I don’t really care to argue the semantics of philosophies of “free will” or whatever, I’m just saying people need to not be dicks to fat people, because that’s more productive to making them be healthy.

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        Hear hear. And it wouldn’t matter to me even if being fat were automatically a death sentence and the only reason people got that way was laziness. Even if it were a simple choice that someone made, it’s still none of my business, y’know?

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          It’s both none of my business, and being a dick isn’t an effective way to get them to change. I dunno why so many people kind of have that as like, a default response. I guess it makes sense to get mad when someone you care about “chooses” to self-destruct, but people are complicated and delicate machines, and they require better maintenance than the nuclear option, and ultimatums.

          I think part of why people have this sort of desire for everyone to have agency, they have this narrative, is because it’s the only way that they’ll be able to keep dealing with all these shitty things in their life. It’s like a really bad survival strategy, or something, people become kind of fucked up and then they only function if they have this dire sense of internal pressure at all times, that they’re responsible for everything that happens in their life. It’s weird, and I don’t really get it.

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      I don’t disagree with you, but one aspect I think people overlook is addiction. Food has become a cheap form of entertainment for people who don’t have time to actually do anything fun, and food has also been formulated to be as addictive as possible through both chemistry and psychological trickery.

      No one wants to talk about this because it asks uncomfortable questions about free will.

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    The one advantage of being significantly ill this year is that I can finally fit into large shirts and medium pants after years of XXL and XL of the former and latter.

    I mean the rest sucks, but that’s pretty nice.

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    I’m xxl but I’m also built like a forklift. When I was younger I could throw rolls of vinyl flooring over my shoulder. I wish I took better care of my knees though.

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    Feel bad for all my tall bros. Hard to find a shirt that fits, always gotta be to short or too tight, gotta go larger.

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    To be fair, I’m still a large in my old shirts but an xlt in new shirts. Not always us getting bigger, but the cuts getting smaller