No not tired of Trump or Biden but the whole government. The incompetence overall. Please don’t harp on one of the presidents all day. BOTH SUCK. In fact if you look real hard you’ll realize all of them sucked
Nice attempt at both sidesing. I’m assuming you’re mostly focused on the us, so there is one party in power in all three branches of government and the other party has close to no power (the current shutdown demonstrates how the democrats are damned if they do and damned if they don’t).
In terms of citizens, a broad portion of the us population has spent the last 50+ years hating the government, but now that it’s small enough to fit in pants they seem mostly content.
Another broad portion has historically viewed government as trash but the only way to get things done that benefit the population. Since the government is now heavily focused on doing whatever it can to hurt the population (whether you’re a farmer, immigrant, elderly/sick, or whatever, this government is actively trying to hurt you).
My perception is that outside of 20-somethings, people are more or less in the same bucket they’ve always been in. Nothing going on here is remotely new. I don’t see any real change in people wanting anything other than the status quo.
So Americans are use to being ruled over and having their roles as enslaved people furthered?
Australian here. It’s hard to say how anyone feels because the media and major social media have been astro turfed so hard. But it’s plain to see to everyone that neither side of politics down under is interested in changing the status quo.
I get the sense people are disillusioned and seeing through all the smoke and mirrors from all sides of politics, but it’s just leading to cynicism and disengagement rather than alternative options.
I have been wondering if maybe the path to a Star Trek future lies in peacefully tolerating and co-operating with these “authorities” as they fade into irrelevance. We can build new systems of governance peacefully, slowly and meaningfully.
Unfortunately they won’t grow into irrelevance unless the population (greater than 50%) is self sufficient. If you want me to go into further detail let me know
Yes and no. Currently, a large portion of the small business owners are firmly pro-Trump, and a lot of wealthier dems are still hardline liberal democrats, but the working class does seem to be more engaged politically and rejecting the parties. It remains to be seen if they get suckered into electoralism again, or if we finally get organized as a class.
We got rid of PP (right wing) because corruption and now there’s a ton of corruption cases from PSOE (left wing).
People is tired. Most street level conversations about politics lean towards a completely lack of faith in the current system overall.
Basically the only ones hyped up about their political option are the alt-right (because you know, nazis don’t care). The rest of the spectrum just criticize other options but they don’t really defend their own option as they know there’s nothing to defend.
Precisely, both sides are always found to be correct and egregious because both of them practice and participate in the same system of methodology. Most of the times they’re just working together. To keep an ideology of division amongst the population, the laymen never becomes expert in politics to understand the situation that they find themselves in. You’re one step ahead of the curve. Do not fall in with the herd of sheep. When the resistance comes, you will be at an advantage.
Talking about the country I reside in: the former president got convicted and is currently facing at least a few years of prison for attempting a military coup d’etat. Hopefully, he won’t be able to become president again. The current president (who also had jail time a couple years ago, only for his charges to be nullified due to a biased former judge and a biased (highly influenced by USA soft power in order for USA to get more control of this country) due process he underwent, allowing him to become president once again) doesn’t have the same “appeal” from his previous terms, and there seems to be some kind of political limbo haunting both the left and the right-wing parties: both aren’t sure who will be their candidates. The current left-wing president, as far as I know and if I remember correctly, can’t become a candidate again (he’s in his third term), and his previous attempt of pointing out a successor failed in the past. As for the right-wing, no hypothesized candidates would perform nationwide, because they’re either regional figures (e.g. the current governors of two rich states) not that known in other regions, or the former president’s wife (which is particularly funny to see right-wing parties hypothesizing her as candidate, as the right-wing is known for their machismo and “tradwife” bigotry).
As for people, while the country continues highly polarized, it feels to me that people aren’t as political as 2015-2020. The current left-wing president isn’t performing well in surveys (even though, to me, I’ve been agreeing more with some of his positions, especially his courage to openly label the current situation in Gaza as genocide, something that few world leaders did). But people don’t seem so cheerful for the right-wing, either. So I guess this answers the main question with yeah, people around here seem to be tired of politics and governments as a whole, yet they don’t seem to be doing much about it. People seem to be busier with other things beyond politics.
Note: I’m talking about my perception, which is likely biased towards the apolitical. The reality is much more deep and complicated when we consider the entire country.
the thing with brazil is that lula sort of got out of the ropes when he had no alternative but to defend his own government against an attack by the fascist and the traditional right wing opposition (the so called centrão, which has got nothing of center politics). he had some boost which allowed to defeat the proposal to pardon the 2023 putschists and approve the income tax exemption for those earning less than 12,200 usd per month. we’ll see the next months, but so far he got a boost and will likely win 2026, but more out of inertia from the opposition who doesn’t really know what to do with bolsonaro jailed, than because he’s doing a really good job (it isn’t).
Don’t get stuck on the both sides war. Thats pure right wing propaganda. They gut the government so it cant do anything well, then say “look at that government sucks! We will just buy it up make it private and everything will be ok i pwomise”
Then we get deeper into the shit.
Also, one side is literally nazis, the other is pretty bad at certain policies. Wow what a hard choice.
Also, one side is literally nazis, the other is
pretty bad at certain policiescontrolled opposition designed to give people the illusion of choice so they don’t rise upSo in other words, also Nazis.
One side is actively stripping away rights and deporting innocent people.
So youre saying Kamala would have been equally as bad as Drumpf. I dont agree.
I get that both sides suck but its what we have, its not going to change, and one of them is clearly better than the other for individual rights.
No. I’m saying if Harris had won she’d just be keeping the seat warm for the oligarchs’ next pick and wouldn’t make any effort to prevent the inevitable.
Both US parties are genocidal imperialist parties, the state still serves capital. The capitalist state is not the “good guy” here, even if the DNC is in control, because both parties are beholden strictly to capital.
As soon as you come up with a solution im all ears!
All we can do is vote (and im not certain that matters anymore though I still do)
Worker organizing, and eventually revolution. Same as all genuine change has come historically, organizing and revolution when organizing isn’t enough.
Both sides suck. You didn’t read that in the original post? I saw Obama and Biden. Bush and trump further the decline of America. The fact that Americans are too stupid to see it is the major factor behind the ruin of America though
Statesians aren’t “too stupid.” Statesians, like everyone else, license themselves to believe that that which benefits them is just. Trying to blame deliberate acceptance of the status quo on a lack of intelligence actually does more to absolve Statesians of our responsibility to tear down the empire from within.
The government sucking / being inefficient is right wing propaganda.
The US state being an arm of capital is more of a leftist stance than right-wing. It’s efficient enough, it’s just that it solidifies imperialism and exports genocide and destruction globally to keep that going.
Lol shut up.
I’ve got a job that interfaces with government employees, so I see a lot of incompetence.
I’ve also seen how actions have been made to improve over time and that a lot of the problems with some government agencies is just a staffing issue where they can’t attract qualified people because the pay sucks.
The media can’t shut up about the corruption cases of PP (Montoro, recently) and PSOE (Ábalos and Cerdán until recently), which is inadvertedly pushing people to VOX (far-right).
If you replace the government with nothing, you get nothing. If you replace the government with private sector, you get shit quality and less service at a higher cost.
So, take your pick.
That’s why you replace it with a worker-run government with state-owned industry.
My government is good. Really good actually. But they’re hamstrung by the voters being god-awful.
Here in Germany, a minority is, but most people I interact with are quite happy and trust the government. They do fear the right wing though.
Would you say because they people are good and obedient or because they actually like the government and why?
Over here, People trust the government and although they may complain, in the end they see the politicians as their peers instead of enemies. Germany is naturally famous for its ”Realpolitik”: some things can’t be fixed so a realistic consensus must be achieved. In the USA this used to be possible, but it seems MAGA don’t like compromise 🤭
I actually think people in Germany are scared of doing anything to “polar” with the government because you all had Hitler. Not wanting to go extreme in any way. I say this from having a family member in Germany and meeting several Germans in person. Economy sliding down and the government is practically begging to be next in line to fight Russia, even though it’s unnecessary. I honestly think you all are trying to tune it out from what I noticed
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Preparing to defend against Russian expansionism isn’t the same as begging to be next in line to fight Russia. It’s clear that Russia will just keep bullying the west (or basically anyone around them). If you can’t rely on what they say, you have to speak their language and be prepared for war. Not to attack them, but to defend yourself and other sovereign nations around them.
Lol well I can’t and won’t explain it to you to make sense. So I’ll just say. If they start a war with them they will lose magnificently.
It is not the government that is incompetent, that is an idea promoted by the right and the billionaires that fund both parties.
Why do so many Americans think the US has a huge crime problem? It is promoted by the same people. Statistics do not support it.
Where you been at buddy? As an American I can tell you the government is INDEED incompetent. The right didn’t create that idea good God. George Bush was incompetent in 2000 and he was the right
The leadership is not the government. Leadership varies widely. The actual government workers and departments are different. Lot of very compitent people. There are questions of course. Big organizations tend to grow, how to address. What should be the priorites. Government cannot do everything. Mandates tend to grow. Polotics and money tend to corrupt. Like IRS, rich people do not want to pay their taxes so republicans always under fund.
If your talking presidents. Trump is the least comperent in my lifetime. Bush 2, first term not really there, second a lot better. Of course Raegon, Biden, and Trump got too old in office. The others back to the 70s which I lived through and was old enough to follow, mostly competent but all had issues of course. I am not rating these on whether I approve of their policies.
I’m pretty tired of the way EU works today, and needs a reformation to be taken seriously. The voting process of a union is just killing it, and there is no progress, when 1 or 2 nations can just veto against, and then nothing happens. This is apparently an “unforseen” - bug in the system. Which automatically should lead us towards federalising, and Saying: “Everyone who wants EU can join, everyone who doesn’t, we’ll still be friends and making trade deals, but you are no longer getting any of the sweet benefits from EU.”
What government?
