So I grew up in Arizona as well as Bay Area, CA (my parents were divorced). Moved to Austin, Texas in 2000 and NM a couple years ago. I’ve never lived in the Northeast, never even been further than NYC in that direction, though I loved Brooklyn.
I’ve been thinking lately, partly because I’ve always hated the heat and partly because I’m sure global warming won’t be kind to the area, that I’d like to check out the Northeast, maybe upstate NY or around there. Maybe Maine. Maybe even Canada if things get particularly a way here. In any case, besides taking time to actually visit the area which I plan to do next fall for about a month, hopefully, I’d love to get any opinions about living in that region. Likes? Dislikes? Favorite areas to consider? Suggestions? Anyone make the kind of geographic change I’ve described? Thanks!
Honestly? I’d recommend the other lateral direction, instead. Northern Oregon & Washington are far better in many (most?) ways and don’t seem nearly as risky a bet re: future livability politics-wise. 🤌🏼
I have friends with a farm in upstate NY that don’t get enough days of sun during the summer to grow tomatoes. That seasonal affective disorder is real. When your whole life has been getting 250-350 days of sun a year, your first winter north of Chicago gets weird. You wonder how people live in the dark, like outdoor mole people.
And Lord have mercy, some of them think salt is spicy. You’ll one day have Mexican food so bland you might think you’re eating a Play-doh model of an enchilada. The restaurants play to the market. But the beer or good, the seafood is good.
Otherwise, find a town or city that matches your personality and enjoy.
NGL, I prefer my beer and good in the same pint, so I’ll stick to the PacNW on that. 😜
FWIW it’s sunnier in New England then in upstate NY, due to proximity to the coast. The couple years I spent in Troy, NY I really noticed (and felt) the tendency to be overcast.
😂 I love this! I do love New Mexican spice so that could be an interesting change!
Before you leave the SW, take a cooking class from some abuela. You’ll be glad to share some real food one in a while just to have some yourself.
East of the Mississippi and north of OK, people think all tacos are hard shell, stale-ass Taco Bell abominations. I just can’t even sometimes.
Beware the chancla! 😱👻
There is good Latino food in the midwest and northeast now. Just look for smaller restaurants, or food trucks.
Sounds like a great market for some good real SW cuisine! And that’s a great idea to get classes.
Plan a winter trip up here and decide how you REALLY feel about snow before you commit to anything.
Truth. I was raised in the deep snow, and when first seeing Bane’s iconic line delivered on-screen, I snickered at his puny claim in comparison.
Well something I have experience in! Nothing prepared me for my first winter. Yes there is snow and it’s cold. The dark is what got me. I would leave for work before the sun came up and it was already setting as I was coming home. It was so deeply unsettling that first winter, like there was no warmth left in the world.
It is a lovely area. It feels so much older because they tend to preserve the historic homes and just driving around through the small rural towns is super cute. Fall is the best season in the NE. The colors are gorgeous! Apple cider donuts are the best donuts, most local orchards make them fresh too.
It’s pretty rural outside of NYC, Maine is especially so. You’ll most likely need a car, even if you’re in a town. The towns are walkable, but they’re small towns so the selection is limited. Getting hooked up with local events can be a challenge as word of mouth is the most common form of promotion. Get in good with your local coworkers or other local groups and they’ll help you find the cool ski deals and niche concerts.
On the whole car thing. Snow ands salt are really hard on cars. The inspection in NE is much more intensive than the SW which only checks emissions. Good tires are worth the investment, but the best method is just don’t drive while it’s snowing. Keep an eye out for black ice, the melting and refreezing is no joke. The people are nice though, had a kind man help pull me out of a snow bank when I made that mistake. If you’re ever unsure just go slow.
Well something I have experience in! Nothing…
C’mon… too easy. 🤣
Naw, where I really messed up was I had thought that the temperature/comfort level had any relation to the amount of sun. Ask me about my first 18degree day in JANUARY
18 degrees in January? Must have been a sunny day!
At the moment, if you account for humidity — done via use of a heat index — it’s more-comfortable in Arizona than in the Northeast:
https://www.weathercentral.com/weather/us/maps/heat-index
EDIT: For the Europeans, Celsius:
EDIT2: Oooh, here’s an interactive world map with a heat index:
https://zoom.earth/maps/temperature-feel/
EDIT3: Oh, wait…nah, those are apparently live temperature maps, not daily high maps. Still toasty in the Northeast, but some of that was just time-of-day.
Imagine living somewhere where you can effectively use a swamp cooler? Of course when the data centers suck out all the water there they’ll be expensive to operate as well.
I can tell you from experience that you’re not going to escape the heat in upstate NY. The summer temperatures may look cooler than Arizona on paper but the humidity makes things feel so much worse
Live in Chicago and I second this. Everyone always talks about how cold and bitter it is here, but that’s much easier to prepare for than the 120F with 90% humidity we sometimes get. Yuk!
You know you’re in the Midwest when the mosquitoes treat you like an equal. Prey, sure, but with a neighborly “we’re all stuck here, bud” sorta vibe. All 666 trillion of them.
Boston is very expensive. However, there are areas in MA that could/should be affordable.
Of course I’m biased because I’ve been in this area forever.
We get 4 seasons. I love the colors of Autumn. I enjoy snow, although, we may not get snow at all in the near future.
You’ve got great beaches on the Atlantic and then some nice skiing up in NH & ME that are only 2 hours away.
Boston area has the best medical care pretty much anywhere on the planet. I’ve personally transported numerous people from Logan airport to the area hospitals.
Sports? Big history of lots of champions.
Very diverse cultures all around Eastern MA. Very LGBT+ friendly.
People complain about cost of living and tax rates. Yet, the quality is worth it. I don’t know the particular tax rates, but, we are definitely not “Taxachusetts” anymore in comparison to all the N.E. states.
I’m somewhat familiar with the rest of N.E., so, feel free to ask.
Boston is so awesome. You didn’t mention the museums, historical places, concerts, festivals, theaters, hundreds of little cafes and restaurants, bookstores, art galleries, several dozen universities each with events open to the public. Taking the T (public transportation) over to the Boston Common to see what’s going on, then walking through downtown, maybe stop at Fanueil Hall for a snack, then go all the way to the North End to a restaurant. Oh gods I’m homesick and I only lived there like 8 years.
Yes, yes … I didn’t want a 25,000 word comment 😉
Another big plus of the immediate Boston area is the possibility of a walking lifestyle and of living without a car. This can require a mentality shift, and you have to like walking and not mind public transportation to fully benefit from the cost savings. I’m not sure if it makes up for the expense of the area though.
If you are in the right field, the pay or job opportunities could make up for the cost of living.
True. Definitely possible. I know a few medical staff that have roommates and they are about a 15 minutes walk from an entire area full of hospitals & clinics.
Op said they were from the Bay Area, do you understand how fucking cheap Boston is compared to the Bay Area? We left in 2020 during Covid and our little ass non-renovated 1467sqft 1954 home sold for 1.45mil. Now it’s again on the market for over 2mil.
Ok. Sure, I’m not familiar with price comparisons. I just know folks around here say it’s expensive. Even in my city just South of Boston, a 1bdr apt is between $2K-3K.
NE is kinda expensive… Is the change worth economic hit?
Do you have a network at the place you are going.
No real network there, though I do have a friend who lives in NJ and a little family in MN. I work remote and may get a pay adjustment for moving to a higher COL area, but I also make more than I technically need to for where I am, so it may balance. The COL calculator I checked recommended a 4.5% raise.
You know I gotta ask… how little are they?
If you’ve never dealt with snow then northwest NY, NE in general will be interesting come winter that’s for sure. It’s not terribly uncommon for northwestern NY to see 12" of snow. Closer to the shore there are hurricanes to be concerned about for a month or two around now actually, but over my almost 40 years there have only been maybe 2 or 3 that were really troubling. It’s usually just a lot of rain and really high winds.
I’m not sure how Austin gets, but the heat is disgusting for about 3ish months out here (NY) so you wouldn’t really be escaping much except maybe the hot season is shorter. It’s almost never dry heat though so we can have 90° days that are like 109° heat index because of humidity.
The only thing I can say with absolutely certainty is avoid Long Island like the plague unless you really love overpopulated areas full of assholes and disgustingly, almost comically, overpriced housing. The bagels are amazing though lol
FWIW, I grew up in a similar area and have countless memories of insane “unusually high” snowfall —including, but not limited to: sledding from the garage roof edge down to the street, and rocketing between neighbors’ homes across the way; building 2-3 story snow forts (buckets, etc. for igloo-style brick molds) on the cul-de-sac from the plow’s traditional one-and-done efficiency; leaving the bus stop because I couldn’t feel my toes, fingers, nose; competing with schoolmates on who could make the coolest icicles from wet hair in the open air; etc.
Whatever the area in question is “known” for being challenging on, just keep in mind that 2nd-5th* place entries are very very close behind. 😅
That’s definitely great to know! I hadn’t thought about the humidity up there. It should absolutely be a consideration!
Oof
I believe that’s pronounced “Oofda” out there.
