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… According to Hamas which has demonstrated with evidence that they lie in almost every instance to get ahead of the narrative. So far there has been no evidence that any Israeli organizational narrative has been false.
“Hamas bombed their own hospital” - Israel Bombed it, according to independently-verified Channel 4 sources. Followed by openly bombing of multiple other hospitals. “Leaked Audio” of hamas taking blame was doctored and spliced from multiple sources.
“Hamas beheaded 40babies” - Backtracked to one baby, who wasn’t decapitated at all, but in an area where Israeli helicopter gunners admit to blindly firing into civilian neighbourhoods for hours.
“Hamas killed 1400 civilians” - Backtracked to 1200 recently, including a vast majority being military personnel. Many of the civilians were likely killed by Israeli crossfire or intentionally via “Hannibal doctrine”.
“Hamas uses tunnels under Al-Shifa” - Literally only a shitty blender video as “proof”. Other attempts such as the above use what Israelis claim is a “guard shift pattern” on a wall, which is actually just translated into a calendar with no names on it all.
Not going to bother with people like you who wake up giddy with excitement to write off the lives of millions of people because they think there’s some kind of elaborate military apperatus being deployed in hospitals when the reality is that almost every IDF accusation is a confession of the kind of behaviour their own brutes have been orchestrating for decades.
At this point, you’re willingly choosing Israel’s narrative out of malice, not stupidity.
whoa those are a lot of claims X3
ehehe~ i’m really curious bout this lil’ one tho, just this one:
“Hamas killed 1400 civilians” - Backtracked to 1200 recently, including a vast majority being military personnel. Many of the civilians were likely killed by Israeli crossfire or intentionally via “Hannibal doctrine”
i watched all available videos during october 7th and didn’t see no helicopter or idf shooting civvies :o
I’m glad you’ve confirmed your biases based on a few minutes of Israeli-published footage of battles that were hours in length.
PS: get that UwU speak the fuck out of here, prick, you’re trying to justify the deaths of thousands of kids while larping as a fucking vtuber. Eat shit.
ehehe, silly~ hamas uploaded the footage online themselves, haha!
so binary~ pointing out an inconsistency isn’t automatically making out with israel. but it don’t change the fact no helicopter was shooting civilians or the idf was shooting their own civlians X3
Hamas is evil. IDF is evil. Show me a fucking cease fire.
The evil side doesn’t want a cease fire. And no other countrie’s armies are willing to die to try to make one.
Too bad they killed or sent away any journalist or independent organization able to verify their bullshit. So I guess we’re supposed to take their word even of they lied more times than I can count?
It’s a basement of a hospital that hundreds of civilians used as bomb shelter. Weak effort of propaganda from IDF because they know US will support the claim anyway.
With the usual caveat “The IDF says:”. Same care is needed to anything “The Hamas says:”. Both sides have their agenda, and it is not necessary involving facts and truths.
totally agree on that but even our german state news station is reporting that there were foreign journalists with the soldiers on the spot to witness the storage of weapons and other military equipment, so it seems this has at least other sources besides the IDF
and to give perspective on our state news, they usually label any news shared by only one source or side as not independently verified and are financed by law by the german citizens and not some big company with an agenda. So they are by all means not perfect but usually a pretty safe source.
While adding ARD or ZDF journalists adds credibility way over Fox “News”, the rooms shown could easily have been staged for the show.
While adding ARD or ZDF journalists adds credibility way over Fox “News”, the rooms shown could easily have been staged for the show.
Yes it could but this is also highly speculative and from footage we have seen it is not unusually to see hamas forces around those buildings.
What I’m saying is that whatever information comes from that part of the world is usually completely unverified and unverifyable. It’s either “The IDF said” or “Hamas said”. Neither is trustworthy, even if they “show evidence”. Regardless if the IDF shows a room with some weapons and random items they could have picked up from the street, or someone else holding up a dead baby and telling it was shot by the Israelis.
Nobody down there is there to tell the truth. Everybody is there to convey a set message.
Agreed but if the news pops up from different sources, maybe there is more behind it.
They have footage
Wow this morning it was a hostage holding room now it’s a command center, remarkable
Fortieth time’s the charm.
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It was actually funny looking through it lol. Does my guy just use social media to solely talk about Israel and Palestine XD
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you’re a bit nutty if you think we’re all the same person :v
Until a reliable, independent news agency verifies it, any claim from either side should be viewed as misleading. It’s also worth noting that it’s not just Hamas denying this, it’s also the facility itself. Here’s part of a report from one of the BBC correspondents in Gaza:
"Israel has accused Hamas of having a command and control centre underneath Shifa - which the group denies.
I have been to the hospital hundreds of time - I was born there, my son was born there, in the last two months of my mum’s life, she was inside the kidney dialysis centre and I used to visit her every day.
It is very hard to verify what is underneath. With my eyes, I haven’t seen any military capability inside the hospital buildings."
Lastly, consider the fact that this hospital is in one of the places the IDF instructed Palestinians to flee to . Are we now saying that the IDF were purposefully trying to place Palestinians in danger by telling them to go to a location where they knew Hamas operated from?EDIT: I was referring to the wrong hospital - see my comment below for details.
did idf really say that? :o
The BBC quote Dr Ebrahem Matar, a heart specialist in the intensive care unit at the Aqsa Martyrs’ hospital - the only medical centre in the middle area of the Gaza Strip.
"Dr Matar said there was only one operating room and limited number of staff.
"'It is catastrophic and it is difficult. We see patients deteriorate due to the continuous pain and the continuous resistant infections.
“The hospital is in one of the areas the Israeli army has told Palestinians to flee to.'”
EDIT: It looks like this is a different hospital Dr Matar was talking about. I’ll update my other comment too.
but did idf really say that? X3
Tell Palestinians to flee to certain areas? Yeah. NPR reported it, BBC reported it, CBS reported it, Al-Jazeera reported it, CNN reported it.
were that hospital oe of those areas tho? :oc
Yeah, just look at the areas the IDF told people to flee to and you’ll see Marat’s hospital is there.
Don’t waste your time … I just called him out and he created another account posing as an anime fan kid.
He will spot any news criticizing Israel then ask for sources / links / evidence and leave when links provided. Rinse and repeat.
can you link that? X3
Is there a part 2 to the Twitter video?
Not that I know of, but it’s 5am there, so maybe later on.
I started to see a lot of Israel propaganda lately.
Every post on my feed from this world news community is just “IDF: Hamas using baby organs to make bombs”.
Probably going to block it
And all posts are posted by like 3 accounts.
there a lotta propganda everywhere!!
Yeah, like 2 hours old accounts spreading propaganda in all Israel related news lol.
can you get back to me in a day?
We don’t care what the IDF says.
You probably should.
Whether you agree or not, it’s always a good idea to hear both sides, otherwise there’s a good chance you’ll end up in an echo chamber.
If their story is fabricated it’ll fall apart very quickly.
No you should not. During wars in particular you need third party verification, you can’t be so naive to believe anything from the parties involved.
The person you’re replying to said nothing about believing it, that’s an inference you’ve made. Cos they have made a good point, listening to one side only does cause an echo chamber effect. And I encourage everyone to read as much as they can from all aspects in matters like this, but draw your own conclusions. War isn’t simple, it’s complex, dirty, and downright deplorable. It’s why so much study into past wars is undertaken, even those in recent memory that were well documented compared to ones that happened long ago. A lot can be learnt, be it statistically, economically, culturally etc.
There is an underground city in Gaza. Terrorists hide there. It would be strange under the circumstances for there not to be tunnels leading to/from the hospital. The IDF’s claim is most likely true.
The “other side” of the argument is not a rejection of this, it is to point out that these circumstances were manufactured by apartheid, and that they do not justify Israel’s ethnic cleansing campaign
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We know, at least some of us, that you won’t give Israel a fair shake.
