“There is no way to prevent this” says only country where this happens regularly.
Also, “It’s too soon after this tragedy to politicize it.”
Whoawhaowhao you can’t use political words yet. Everyone knows only once you have all “thoughts and prayers” lined up and fill 2.2 football fields, divided by 2 minus 15 eagles worth of words, can you then even mention politics.
At 8 football fields you can bring up 2A. But what would the world be like if we started changing “amendments”. We’d have to make the word amendment a synonym of change or something, that would be crazy.
Since these things happen on a daily basis, it’s always too soon. Funny how that works.
“If only she had a gun, this would have been prevented.”
Their answer is always ‘more guns will solve this’.
Happens all the time in other nations.
Sure it does. In Yemen, Venezuela, El Salador, Serbia etc… you mean?
Sorry, I meant developed nations
lol when was the last time a stray bullet randomly hit someone in any other developed country?
450+ million guns, you’re not stopping gang violence like this which is the mass majority of all of our gun crime, by banning guns from lawful citizens. Dudes like this are already barred. Why don’t you ask, why out system let him out.
Says man from only country where this happens regularly.
Plenty of other countries haven’t banned guns from lawful citizens and dont have this problem.
Ok, man from perfect country. How would you personally solve this problem of gun violence? Would you form a posse and roundup all of the crazed lunatics out there who would dare to try and protect their families with a firearm? Would you raid the houses of anyone who may or may not have owned a gun in the past and search under the floorboards?
Seriously I want to know. How would you help all of these mentally ill people who seem to think that guns are toys, or just deeply want to harm other people?
You don’t need me to tell you that. You wouldn’t believe me anyway. There are plenty of professionals who have studied and acquired factual data of how other “perfect countries” do it and the differences. From the differences the solutions become very clear.
It’s about restricting access, not banning. There’s no one size fits all solution because nothing is perfect so you pick your poison. Find a country where this doesn’t happen every day (so any developed country), look a the way they do things and pick the one you prefer to support - they all have upsides and downsides. What you have isn’t working though.
Every country that has basically an effective ban, also has safety nets for the people, doesn’t have a gang problem like we do, and focuses on education and not locking everyone up. They also never had 450+ million firearms in civilian hands. So please share with the class how you think you could pull it off without having all those safety nets in place.
How about having all those safety nets in place and regulated guns? Just an idea…
I’m fine with adding in the safety nets, they’ll do 100xs more than any regulation you put in place will do. I’m not ok giving over a monopoly on force to people like the current Republicans. Why any of you think that’s a good idea is just insane.
Maybe put those safety nets in place? Offer buy-backs on firearms, or a grace period to turn in unregistered firearms with no questions? Crack down on fraudulent “theft” and loss reports? Modernize the firearms database? Create incentives for law enforcement to execute red-flag laws? Require a higher level of training and responsibility to own a firearm?
Literally doing the bare minimum and just effectively enforcing the laws on the books would make a huge improvement, but we can’t even do that because republicans like to whip up the base with the idea that their right to own an AR-15 is going to stop the liburl gubment from takin awah mah rites!
This has been proven to be untrue by other countries who have done the same in the past.
No it hasn’t, no one in the history of the world has had this many firearms in civilian hands. Even when Australia took the firearms, only 60% turned in their 1mil total firearms in civ hands.
And gun deaths have dropped enormously ever since.
Australia never had a firearm problem to begin with. This is pants on head stupid take. If you have 100 deaths from firearms a year and removing access to the already small amount in civ hands and gun deaths drop to 50… everyone now says firearms removed from people dropped by 50% when it was already so low it was a rounding error to begin with.
No, we just had the largest massacre of private citizens by a single shooter in recorded history, (still hasn’t been beaten despite how often Americans try, they must really hate us being better than them at something involving guns), and numerous others before it, and none after it. But tell me again how you know nothing about Australia, it’s history, or gun control.
Uhh…no you didn’t, but ok.
You also did not have high violence involving firearms prior to port author. They also were already trending down prior to the 97 ban and forced confiscation.
https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi269
Suicides, just like the USA, make up the majority of your firearm deaths. You’re homicides via firearms are a joke per year, our gangs alone do that in a month in a single city.
But yes, I’m the one who knows nothing about Australia and it’s gun history…lol sounds like you need to study your own history before nosing into ours.
I might buy this argument if other countries also had the same problem. But the fact is that stricter gun laws do work, and the U.S. is very unique in having this issue thanks to our insistence on the 2nd ammendment being infallible.
I’m so tired of this brain dead take. The amount of guns on the street and gang violence is directly related to how easy it is to aquire them.
gang violence like this which is the mass majority of all of our gun crime
Source?
The most recent stats I could find for gang-related deaths (gun or not) was 2012, when there were 2,363 reported out of a national total of 12,765 homicides.
That is known gang violence, where police %100 know it’s gang related. If they do not know the source, they label it as unknown. The estimate is around 80-85% are gang and drug related violence. This isn’t some unknown thing.
With 8,855 firearm murders in 2012, 2,363 is a significant part of that.
The 2,363 figure also includes non-firearm murders—I was looking for directly-comparable stats.
But in any case, it isn’t anywhere near a “mass majority”.
whistling noises
You don’t know what you are talking about. It’s not a good look
No I absolutely do know what I’m talking about, but the lot of you all don’t have a clue. You sit in your white privilege ivory towers and think only the police should have a monopoly on force…and at the same time wanting to defund them as well. You make no sense.
Marx has the answer. Change material conditions, so there is less crime, thus less need for prisons. But no one wants to read.
You mean no one wants a tankie shithole for a country…
Yes, no one wants to read. This “accident” didn’t happen in a Marxist-Leninist country.
If only she had a gun she could have protected herself!
Don’t give them ideas…
Oh they already have them!
And they suck and are stupid. Hate to sound crazy, but I’m tired of their fight fire with fire rhetoric. I just want them to realize how inept they sound.
Could have easily used the gun to shoot down the bullet.
“Stray Bullet” makes it sound like the bullet got off leash. This was a reckless and irresponsible use of firearms and we should start calling it that.
Irresponsible use of firearms in an irresponsible gun culture. Toxic combo.
Shhh, in the US they are very strongly against making sure gun owners are properly tested for how to operate guns and psychological state they are in. Rumors say it could lead to less shooting incidents but it obviously can’t be true because. … eh… amendment yes amendment !
There is so much that is unfortunate about this. First off, another person dead because of guns. Second, there is so much news and uproar because she was a young white woman. This is undeniable. Third, in looking for statistics on stray bullet incidences, I found that there is no official tracking in the US.
I found a study of 2008 stray bullet incidents, including deaths from combining news reports. In the year, they found 284 of 501 unique reports of different incidences that met criteria injuring 317 ppl (almost one a day). Of these, about 20% died, and most injured were at home, not aware of any gun violence. Suffice to say, each statistic is a person just like her, and their deaths are all needless tragedies brought on by gun culture.
Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201323
This wasn’t just a stray bullet. This was a madman who had terrorized people with guns in the past, and was set free because he isn’t fit to stand trial, which somehow means he’s fit to be free and have guns.
I don’t give a fuck about the shooters backstory or why he’s messed up in the head, he should never been allowed out in society of he’s not fit, yet dangerous.
Child in Gunsville, Alabama, dressed as gun holding a gun at a local gun appreciation day parade gets shot in the gun by a group of gun-shooting friends called the “fun guns gun group” who’s group motto is “let’s gun for fun!”. Now is not the time to discuss guns.
America moment
Guns don’t kill stray bullets do…
Bullets don’t kill, kinetic energy does.
Get the glue out I guess.
USA! USA! USA!
I go to the same college as she did, I didn’t know her as I’m two years above her. There is currently a makeshift memorial set up in memory of her where they held the vigil the day after she was shot. What was really surreal was driving around close to where she was shot was just seeing people walking around like nothing had happened, just continuing on with their lives. I felt this same way the day of the Covenant shooting, which was less than a year ago now. I honestly think that the only way this senseless gun violence will end is if someone shoots up the capitol (pls note I do not plan on this or that this is a call to action). I wish we didn’t have to deal with this but the gun culture has become to ingrained that I wonder how many innocent lives we’ll go through before it ends.
Like this ?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting
Still no change.
The only strays found in parks should be dogs. Not freaking bullets!!! What the heck is a ‘stray bullet’ anyway, they move in straight lines and can only be set off by someone pulling a trigger.
Tbf neither are actually “allowed” to be in parks.
I imagine some “stray bullet” injuries/deaths are caused by firing into the air causing an arc. Don’t mean to “actually” you but it likely isn’t always a shot fired horizontally.
I agree with you by the way. And gun control could start would rigorous training requirements (like checking backstops, education on safety) – it wouldn’t have to be “they’re taking our guns!”.
Everyone together!
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(Unsurprisingly I see a bunch of blank comments from users I blocked in the past, can’t wait to add more to the list!)
Edit: If you downvote me could you please comment just so I can make sure I block all the people who don’t believe in reality?
Edit 2: Oh man that’s funny, there’s someone following my history and automatically downvoting every comment I make 😂
This article has some bullshit in it. I don’t doubt the reporting; I doubt the authorities. Per actual Federal law, a finding of being mentally incompetent to stand trial means the defendant is incarcerated indefinitely, not released. Why the hell was this guy on the streets?
I don’t doubt what you’re saying, but I’m gonna go out on a limb and say the article probably did some handwaving on the actual circumstances.
Yeah, that was my first reaction. Wtf is this “released because he was found incompetent to stand trial”?
Stray bullet also makes it sound like it was “aimed” and mjssed the target a little bit
Thoughts and effin’ prayers man… 🤬
