Summary
The U.S. deported 238 Venezuelan migrants to El Salvador’s notorious CECOT prison using the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.
Internal documents show 75% had no known criminal record. Some, like a makeup artist and a soccer player, had pending asylum claims.
The Trump administration claimed links to the Tren de Aragua gang, citing tattoos and social media, but lawyers and experts say evidence is flimsy.
Despite a court order to halt the deportation, flights proceeded. Critics warn the move bypasses due process and violates international human rights standards.
I just can’t imagine how hopeless these people must feel. It’s a fucking nightmare. You’re accused of something you haven’t done (not that anyone deserves this, even if they are criminals), there’s no way for you to even make anyone listen to you and you’re dumped in a prison in a foreign country with no hope of ever getting out? It’s just… jesus christ, the injustice of it all is simply heartbreaking.
To think that millions of people are actually cheering for this is terrifying. If I were American, I’d be terrified. If “illegals” can’t have due process, then nobody has due process, because how are you going to prove you’re a citizen without due process? They can literally grab you off the street and send you to a concentration camp and there’s nothing you can do about it, because all they have to do is claim you’re illegal.
I honestly don’t understand how all these people in power are even still alive.
I feel like not enough people are outraged about spending $6 million taxpayer dollars to El Salvador for these “prisoners” either. Where is the government efficiency?
They’re going to up the cost of El Salvadoring to the billions, and then if you mention that it costs billions to El Salvador innocent people, dumb republicans will think you’re pulling their legs, because “billion” is clearly a made up word to smear those fine people in the party.
(Yes, there are people who think “Billion” was made up for a gag in one of the Austin Powers movies.)
Trump should be charged with crimes against humanity
What you’re seeing is a display of pure power. A flex of totally unchecked authority.
The next ones to join could be you and your family, and there’s little to nothing that you can do about it. Without due process, who used to say they are not all perfectly legitimate US citizens?
I suggest putting on some weight. We’re going to need it in the work camps.
We are going to see at midnight tonight how unchecked the power is.
My understanding of what’s going on here… And admittedly, the Trump administration is moving very fast, the courts are not moving fast enough. However that’s kind of the way the courts have always worked. It feels like the Trump administration is trying to exploit this.
However, if that man is not returned by midnight, my assumption is that there will be a Patsy that will be held in contempt of court.
So we are now in a game theory square
The man returns, the man does not return.
Someone is punished, no one is punished.
Ideally, by this time tomorrow that man is returned and someone is punished.
The worst case scenario is that by midnight tonight that man is not returned and no one is punished. If that happens we are in a very dark space.
All three other alternatives offer hope, with the one square I mentioned actually being a very good sign in general despite the current horrors.
USSC blocked it, so welcome to the dark side.
Wrong, they paused it. This is one of the 2 squares I didn’t mention that is still positive, while horrific.
They do keep “pausing” consequences every time it matters for 47 though.
Justice delayed is justice denied. It also must be super reassuring to all those people in
the concentration campsCECOT.Okay, this is not “the dark square” though.
Your soundbite is nice but I am here to discuss facts of matters and not play ‘witty quip’ tit for tat.
The fact of the matter is that Trump has spent his whole lie dodging responsibility by just throwing enough bullshit at the system that it ground to a halt. It was unable to get through prosecuting Trump for four years until he got into power again, and then all cases got dismissed.
What is it that you expect to happen? Or what is it that you think that there is a chance that it will happen to stop this or even reverse this?
It’s insufficient to punish “someone”, because that person is likely just a patsy, as you suggest.
What I would like to see is the judge asking the lowest person on the rung, under oath, “Who ordered this? Tell me or I’ll hold you in contempt”, and then when that person answers they ask the named person the same question, until they find someone who actually matters, and hold them in contempt until the man is returned. (And, hold them directly responsible for the condition the man is returned in).
The President may be immune from the consequences of his actions, but people serving under him are not.
Convincing all the little stooges that they won’t be protected is the only way to course correct from this.
We need to convince them the only way they will be protected is to rat out their bosses. (And then, actually protect them from the brownshirts.)
Oh I agree, the patsy is the first domino, though. The dominos get larger as they continue to fall, ideally. As you put it.
Things are dark but there is not yet an absence of light.
…didn’t Germany do something similar to this in 1935-6? just checking to see if history is doing that repeating thing…
Rhyming here, but yeah, basically.
They started deporting and when countries stopped taking the “undesirables”, they concentrated them in a few camps and then they decided that killing them was the same as keeping them alive.
We’re not there yet, but this administration just rhymed “Nazi” with “Natsi” thinking they were clever by using the phonetic pronunciation and nobody would notice.
We’re not there yet, but this administration just rhymed “Nazi” with “Natsi”
They rhymed Nazi with Nat-C (Nationalist Christian)
America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. The average maximum security prison holds 800-1200 prisoners. The largest, Angola, LA, holds over 8000.
Guantanamo Bay, located in CUBA (WTF?), currently holds about 120. They are now building a facility there, that will hold 30,000 prisoners. That’s nearly 4 times our largest prison, which is about 8 times larger than average.
The question is: Who do they intend to put in that new facility, which is far from any oversight by the media or the courts. It’s in fucking Cuba, which is controlled by…well, you get it.
I was a victim of the recent Reddit bloodbath, with a 12 year/ 900K+ karma account. Clearly, they reviewed my high-volume posting account, and they know how I feel about them, and the punishments they have earned. I expect that at some point, there is a pretty good chance I’ll be getting a free vacation to Cuba.
All of them should be immediately eligible for US citizenship, assuming any of them want it at this point. Along with getting a shit ton of money to try to heal from this. How the fuck can this possibly be made right, even if every single victim of this is removed from the prison?
Giving them US citizenship is like giving disgruntled customers a credit to use at the same store.
If those customers lived at and had families at the store, yeah. If they still want citizenship at this point they should get it.
If I was in the leadership of Tren de Aragua gang I would start incentivising the use of svastica, iron cross. The number of people with these tattoos would clearly be part of the gang, right?
I hope we get them back all unharmed and I hope this takes down the Trump presidency.
Hahahaha!
