NY bill would require a criminal history background check for the purchase of a 3D printer::Requires a criminal history background check for the purchase of a three-dimensional printer capable of creating firearms; prohibits sale to a person who would be disqualified on the basis of criminal history from being granted a license to possess a firearm.
Is this what the democrats think is important legislation right now?
You can make a firearm in a shitty garage shop way cheaper than the both monetary investment and time investment that comes with using a 3D printer.
People in fuckinh prisons make improvised firearms
This is a waste of time.
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Eh. With how tribalist American politics has become, it’s usually only a matter of throwing shit to the wall to see what sticks.
This may not stick, but if it does you can bet your sweet ass it will be a primary issue for democrats.
Are these lawmakers aware of the fact you can 3d print a 3d printer? Or at least, about 80% of its parts, and the remaining parts are indistinguishable from the random stuff youd buy at the hardware store? (Aluminum extrusion mostly, some gears, etc)
The only part they could theoretically hope to control worth a damn would be the printing nozzles, which are so incredibly cheap to buy bulk and nearly impossible to specialize.
Also you could take this to court and point out that you would need to also include CNC machines, Laser Cutters, lathes, and any of the other variations of tools that can be used to manufacture a DIY gun.
This isnt a problem specific to 3d printers, a CNC mill that can cut aluminum is also just as capable of producing the jigs needed to manufacture gun parts.
You can make a fireable shotgun out of like 15$ of pipe fittings
This is typical of politicians making laws about shit they don’t understand. At all.
Silly. Why can’t we just regulated the sale of ammunition and gunpowder?
We do actually. Just last year new york passed the Concealed Carry Improvement act imposing a background check on ammunition purchases. This bill is completely redundant and unnecessary.
Redundant, you say?
How else are corporations going to limit things like “right to repair” and sales, when people can print their own replacement parts or print stuff they would otherwise have to buy?
Think of the profits! /s
Also, how else do you expect politicians to score easy points by “cracking down on gun violence” while wasting taxpayer resources and legislative time/effort? Won’t you think of the poor kids going to school in the literal war zone of the public school system?
For the record, common sense gun control laws are important (opinions are what these entail are welcome to vary). The issue is that most of the US already has such laws thoroughly in place yet people and politicians like to act like they don’t exist every time a tragedy occurs. I’m sure there’s exceptions, but the grand majoroty of the time a politician starts blathering about tightening gun control laws a cursory search shows plenty on the books for their jurisdiction.
NY is the shining example of the simple creation of a law being enough to entirely extinguish any criminal activity related to it in the entire jurisdiction. This one is so incredibly powerful, in fact, that the very second it goes into effect, the whole state of NY will be unable to cross state lines to acquire said devil boxes, nor even use a VPN to make such a purchase online. Also, sharks are smooth.
I’m all for preventative laws if they are good policy. This isn’t good policy.
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Cool. I didn’t know that.
You can easily create a firearm with a short length of steel pipe and a nail. I don’t know how this will do anything. Plus people can just drive to another state.
It will be effective in 3d printers gaining attention for having the ability to print firearms
Well then you’ll know what to do when your guns are taken away won’t you?
When you’ve finished building it (and the home made ammo to go in it), don’t forget to post a picture of your new baby to all the pro-gun communities.
I’m sure they’ll all be very jealous of your dogshit “pipe and nail” gun.
I can tell ya havent interacted with the firearms communited too much. Its a lot like the car communited, sure there are quite a few folks who are overcompensating dickbags but there are just as many folks who just like em in generally which means the weirder the more interesting.
If someone could get a steel pipe and a nail to work as a functional firearm that can fire once theyd be respected, if they could get it to fire more than once and consistently there a solid chance theyd become a saint of the firearms community.
A slam fire only needs to fire once.
Making it absolute dogshit for criminals and domestic terrorists.
Exactly. It has one use.
That will never happen in the lifetime of anyone who can read these comments. Our gun rights are set in stone and there’s nothing you can ever do about it.
Tell that to your slaves.
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Can anyone name one crime that has been committed with a 3d printed gun from the last 3 years that hasn’t been committed 100x more often in the last week with a stolen or illegally obtained gun.
Or by legal gun owners, who are responsible for a massive percentage of gun violence, (for example, 80% of all mass shootings).
You know, the same legal gun owners who let their guns get stolen or staunchly oppose closing gun show loopholes or making straw-purchasing more difficult.
I agree with all of your points but have a small nitpick that I really wish people would stop calling it the gun show loophole
The loophole is that private sales (depending on state laws) don’t require a background check (which, to be clear, I disagree with)
But all of those guys with tables set up at the gun show are FFL dealers, buying from them is just like buying from any regular gun shop with all of the normal background checks and other requirements you’d expect in your state.
Now any of the random folks wandering around the show, in theory, could sell you a gun without any background check, but that’s not unique to them being at a gun show, they could do the same from their garage, a Walmart parking lot, a random street corner, a TGI Fridays, etc.
I’m also pretty sure that most, if not all gun shows specifically prohibit those private sales from happening at their events.
Again, I’d like to see the loophole closed, but calling it a gun show loophole just leaves the door open for gun nuts to say “lol, there is no gun show loophole, see you don’t even know what you’re talking about” because there’s really nothing unique about gun shows as it pertains to the law.
Instead i’d say we should refer to it as the private sale loophole or the Brady bill loophole.
The loophole thing really turned into a talking point, didn’t it? Whenever someone uses that word, I automatically assume they’ve never been to a gun show.
I tend to make the same assumption, not that I think it’s important for people saying these things and crafting these laws to have ever been to a gun show, but they should at least understand what it is they want to regulate.
I am by no means anti gun, I like guns, enjoy shooting, I don’t currently own any because I have other priorities for my money, but if I suddenly found myself with a lot more disposable income I’d probably own a couple. That said, I do support a lot of gun control measures that would make the average Republican voter call me a crazy gun grabbing communist.
Mostly though, I hate seeing people pushing for laws and regulations when they clearly don’t understand what it is they’re trying to regulate. You see a lot of liberals get up in arms (and rightfully so) about shitty Internet laws crafted by geriatric politicians who can barely manage to check their own emails, but then go and make the same kind of mistakes with gun laws
To name one particularly egregious example, McCarthy describing a barrel shroud as “a shoulder thing that goes up” had similar energy no Stevens describing the internet as “a series of tubes” except the tubes analogy could actually kind of work for some internet issues (though not the specific one he was complaining about) whereas I can’t think of any way to twist the shoulder thing comment to make it apply to a barrel shroud.
That’s all fair, but it remains the most widely accepted term for the issue, complete with its own Wikipedia page.
leaves the door open for gun nuts to say “lol, there is no gun show loophole, see you don’t even know what you’re talking about”
It doesn’t matter what it’s called, they’ll continue to oppose addressing it because their strategy is to only take, never give.
It doesn’t matter what it’s called, they’ll continue to oppose addressing it
That doesn’t mean we need to make it easy for them to oppose it. Don’t give them a stupid way to dismiss the conversation before it even gets off the ground, make them actually defend their position that private sales shouldnt need background checks.
IMO, getting stuck calling it the gun show loophole when there are better things to call it because that’s what everyone has always called it has the same kind of energy as conservative assholes who refuse to learn a person’s pronouns or old people who never bothered to scrub things like “colored” or “oriental” from their vocabulary. Language can, does, and should change with the times, and we need to keep up with it.
Sounds like bikeshedding to me.
Them getting caught up on you calling it the gun show loophole is bikeshedding, and you can solve it by the simple action of calling it something else.
Again, there is no possible combination of words that will make the pro-gun community support its closure and you’re doing them a massive favor by implying they have a role in the conversation at all.
With Google searches for “private sale loophole” returning results for “gun show loophole” (as well as information about the origin of the term), it could just as easily be argued that you’re muddying the waters for semantics.
So I’ll just keep using whatever phrase gets my point across and you can use whatever words you want in the gun-control comments you don’t seem to be making, to placate people who don’t seem to exist, so they don’t use a talking point that’s trivial to address.
80% of mass shootings isn’t a “Massive percentage”, it’s quite small actually
I know you’re trying to say “the people killed by domestic terrorists in America are statistically insignificant” but awkwardly shoehorning it in like that just makes it sound like you don’t understand percentages.
What brain dead legislation.
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It seems pretty clear that this is trying to target the production of switch devices that turn firearms fully automatic, to which I would recommend going after the social media companies that allow these devices to be sold openly on their platforms. That’s where these devices are coming from. Sure, plenty of them came out of a 3D printer, but most people on the street with them bought them from somebody else, no matter how they were manufactured.
Just enforce existing laws against switches, ghost guns, and automatic firearms, and go after any company that enables or profits from their sale. Regulating 3D printer sales won’t solve the issue, because 3D printers are actually somewhat trivial to build, and you don’t have to print these things in New York to sell them in New York.
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With all the wonderful things 3d printers can do they chose to focus on one thing. Effectively removing rights from people who never got to exercise them.
There’s a certain section of Democrats for whom as soon as you say “guns” they turn off their brains and vote for whatever they’re told to.
Much like “immigrants” or any number of right wing triggers. There’s fewer of them on the left but they work the same way.
I just wanna say, agreed. But also if you go far enough left you get your guns back.
There’s not that many people that far left, and no one in power.
lol wasn’t the first gun law in America enacted to keep Black Americans from buying or possessing firearms?
It seems pretty clear that this is trying to target the production of switch devices that turn firearms fully automatic
Then they’re even dumber than I thought, since those can be made with a coat hanger and a set of needle nose pliers.
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How in the hell are they gonna enforce this? Is every kid who baight a 3d printer of ebay now committing a crime?
Yeah, we have this little thing called a Constitution, might just get in the way
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Yes, and don’t you forget that
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It would probably be argued under free speech oddly enough.
Not even ‘oddly enough.’
While you can’t own a bomb factory without proper authorization (because its only purpose is building bombs), something as general-purpose as a 3D printer would absolutely enjoy first amendment protections.
Interesting tidbit: it’s not illegal to make your own guns in the US. You don’t even need a license.
I mean, imagine telling someone who was once convicted of a crime “no sorry, you can’t buy a 3D printer to make things around the house, you could make a gun as well!”
If the only thing a 3D printer could do is print a gun, then there’d be an argument. This is like banning callipers from convicted criminals because they could be used to measure ammunition. If this law somehow sticks, I will be very disappointed in the shortsighted thinking that led to such a law passing.
This is just “New Media is scary and I’m old!” Fear Mongering
Counter offer: a bill that will limit the purchase of 3D printers to people with a criminal history.
Also absurd and unconstitutional. You can make a rudimentary gun out of plumbing parts from a hardware store that is at least as effective as a 3d printer, arguably more so if you’re looking at 100% printed parts. Should we run background checks at the register at Home Depot? Should you not be able to buy plumbing if you made some bad decisions and served the time?
These are all ridiculous laws designed to restrict the liberties of the common man.
as you should, Americans have forgotten just how dangerous the world really is. You would think people would have learned something from the Hamas attacks on civilians Israel
Eh, it is easier to buy one. Besides, if I wouldn’t pass a background check I’d get the gun some other way. As it turns out, criminals care very little about abiding by gun control laws. Just look at the areas with the strictest gun control, they also happen to be the places with the highest rate of gun violence.
Lol more regulation for 3d printers than guns themselves
They’ve just got to figure out a way to twist one of the amendments into a shield.
You can always 3d print a 3d printer
3d printerception
Stupid, authoritarian, and dystopian.
So what will the state of NY do if I buy an Ender-3 in Vermont and then bring it home?
Ask Kyle Printtenhouse.
You see they have the fact that the only places you can get a 3d printer in Vermont is through Amazon as the only places you can get anything remotely techy is at the only Best buy in the state or some auto shop and from my experience I’ve never seen a 3d printer there
Vermont was used as an example because I remembered it bordered NY, not because it’s the only state in the union where 3D printers are sold.
