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“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant said. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”

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    No electricity, no food, no water…

    If everyday people have the choice of sitting and starving or doing something about it, I doubt many would go quietly into the night.

    Israel will create the next generation of extremists if they do not kill every single person in Gaza. We’ve seen this in every modern Middle East conflict in the past 40 or so years.

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      I always find it odd how people blame “extremists” and the Palestinians for this.

      Israel starts to steal homes, land and killing men, children and women. No one bat an eye to that.

      Then extremists and hate towards Israel came and bam, they are the bad ones suddenly.

      Certainly what Hamas does is entirely wrong however - People cannot expect them be silent and get killed by Israeli forces.

      This is what happens from decades upon decades of oppression.

      This entire conflict was created by Israel stealing land and starting an genocide mission on Palestinians.

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      Even killing every person in Gaza will just bread more extremists. Gazans are not the only Palestinians and they are not the only ones affected by Israeli oppression.

      Israel should negotiate with Hamas NOW and stop the siege on Gaza fully.

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      You think the ones who escape are going to turn over a new leaf? Or the ones looking on from without?

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      No, decades of extremist indoctrination that is Gazan education system make extremist. Disinformation is what makes extremists. And it’s all being supported by the whole world. Noone in Gaza needs to work, they have EU+US+Qatar welfare system, they have literal nazi shit in their textbooks, they have their stupid religious excuses too, what do you think a young man raised in that filth would do with his free time except slitting throats and launching rockets?

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        True, just look at Japan and Germany. They took so much devastation, yet they can rise above others because they don’t have the same mentality as these people.

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          Japan and Germany both received massive amounts of financial support and investment to basically shape them into allies. If Germany/Japan had just been beaten the shit of and left to fend for themselves under financial and social sanction then we would have already had WW3. What a ridiculous comparison that you need to stop using for this racist tirade of yours.

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            I’m not being racist, it’s just that most of you fail to see the reality of the situation here. Germany and Japan know when to admit defeat. Do you really think they got the assistance straight away after the war? No, they sort themselves out first, and rebuilt their society. The fundings came much later. Germany even had to pay for the cost of the war for years. Over the course of 80 years, you think how many fundings palestine had received from muslim countries AND the west? The funding which were used to buy weapons to attack their neighbour and further radicalized their own children. Don’t forget that it was the palestine who rejected the two-state solution and the muslim countries who jointly attacked israel first. Even now some muslim country still rejects israel’s right to exist.

            I was an avid supporter of palestine for decades, blindly supporting them just because we had the same religion. But now, I’m also thinking from the perspective of the israeli here. If my surrounding neighbours keep threatening my existence, will I just sit around and let them plot my demise? If they just focus on improving themselves, I wouldn’t mind with whatever they’re doing with their lives.

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              May I remind you that Germany not knowing when to admit defeat is what caused WW2? The entire reason Germany and Japan were propped up economically was because the Americans basically shut down the French and British diplomats for causing the fuckup with their treaties after WW1.

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                That’s the point. You have to know when to admit that you were already defeated, so you can focus on your own nation. As an investor myself, why should I invest in a fucked up country?

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      I imagine if Germany or Japan had the same mentality, they wouldn’t be where they are now. A good leader would focus on the future of their own people, not bringing them into destruction.

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        Oh, so war crimes are justified as long as the other side does it first?

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        Yes but this particular news story is about Israel publicly announcing a war crime.

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          Murder is against the law in western countries but of someone tries to kill you, you can kill them in self defense.

          So yea of someone is committing war crimes against you, you can fo ahead and fight back to get them to stop

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      so wait. Siege is a war crime? Not taking a side, I’m just a technicalities kind of guy. Its not like locking people in a house. And don’t hostage negotiators do just that in the US? (Could be just on tv). But it’s a big place. Fuel and electricity are nice to haves. They should have some amount of food and water stored up. And the southern border is with egypt, so I assume they can’t actually do anything about that. Doesn’t seem like a straight up war crime. But I have never read yhe definitions they have at the UN.

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          I just took a gander at the list as a refresher, and it is not 100% a war crime. You can argue this is an unjustified or excessive attack on civilians, but a judge may rule that is is required to defend against the enemy (Hamas).

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            Item 2.b.25 from the list seems to match up:

            "Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions; "

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              Is the intent to starve civilians or to deprive hamas combatants of any and all supplies?

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    We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly

    So business as usual, eh?

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      It’s just crazy to me that Israel went from forced migration, following ghetto concentration, to concentrating others with the same dehumanizing rhetoric in the space if a generation.

      Not to excuse Hamas’ actions in the slightest, the rocket attack is unjustifiable no matter anyone’s political beliefs. But it boggles my mind that a national identity can flip so drastically that Palestine can be put into de facto concentration camps by people who remember being in camps (albeit in tiny surviving numbers nowadays).

      Propaganda works folks. Don’t be a sucker.

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        It’s more understandable when you listen to the Jewish arguments about needing to protect themselves against people who want to kill them, they see themselves as being inside the walls and defending themselves so they see their actions as justifiable because the alternative is another genocide.

        It’s hard because neither side is entirely right or wrong, Hamas is a terrorist organisation that gets help from other terrorist organisations - the thousands of missiles they fired over the last few days didn’t come from nowhere, we can’t deny that Iran is a repressive and brutal regime that would love to see all Jewish people dead for religious reasons, just like they hate gay people, women, and so many other groups.

        That of course isn’t to say there aren’t awfull racist Jewish people who hate Muslims, but Israel as a nation is starting to work well with many Arab nations such as Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The country has a lot of problems but is doing a lot of good things in the region also, and it’s doing them working with many Arabs and Arab nations. They see themselves as trying to be good people and they know if they tore down their walls then they’d be massacred, it is understandable how they justify looking the other way when the IDF are brutal or their government makes questionable choices.

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    Many Palestinians will end up dying from this. Hamas destroyed any chance there was of peace happening.

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    “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”

    This. Hamas leaders either have so very low IQ to not be able predict how israel would retaliate, or they just don’t care about their own people’s lives. Hamas and their terrorist goons do not deserved to be called a human.

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      Unfortunately they are just as human as anyone. This is the point, humans do this.