Hamas says Israeli strikes have killed some captives and it will kill another if bombing without warning continues

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“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant said. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”

  • ???@lemmy.worldOP
    3611·
    1 year ago

    Even killing every person in Gaza will just bread more extremists. Gazans are not the only Palestinians and they are not the only ones affected by Israeli oppression.

    Israel should negotiate with Hamas NOW and stop the siege on Gaza fully.

    • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
      2214·
      1 year ago

      How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?

      What do you ask for here? And what do you give up?

      • knotthatone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        92·
        1 year ago

        How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?

        You don’t. There’s no negotiating with terrorists, it’s too late. There is no good solution. The best Israel can do right now is make every effort to target Hamas, minimize civilian casualties and try to rescue as many people as they can.

        If they go nuts and start trying to exterminate in Gaza they’ll just fuel the next terrorist standoffs and keep this going for several more decades.

      • ???@lemmy.worldOP
        1711·
        1 year ago

        Release Palestinians illegally detained by Israel without trial in place fo the hoostages.

        • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
          24·
          1 year ago

          You know what. Sure. I think Israel will go for this.

          Release of all illegally detained Palestinians.

          In return, Israel gets

          • safe return of all hostages taken
          • complete surrender of all Hamas leadership
          • complete surrender and custody of all Palestinian combatants
          • including anyone who conspired or otherwise assisted in the recent act of terrorism
          • ???@lemmy.worldOP
            2·
            1 year ago

            Feels to me like that wouldn’t work on Hamas’ side. Another situation where Israel is the total winner.

            • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
              21·
              1 year ago

              Well since Hamas has already executed civilians, and Israel has both the military advantage and support of world leaders, they are not exactly negotiating from a position of strength.

              • ???@lemmy.worldOP
                2·
                1 year ago

                I don’t think your plan would even remotely lead to a joint country solution, more like Israel just wins.

                • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
                  3·
                  1 year ago

                  I didn’t suggest any plan leading to a joint county solution.

                  You know what would not even remotely lead to such a solution? Kidnapping and murdering civilians.

                  Just so we’re clear, everyone loses here. But Israel is not going to negotiate with terrorists, nor should they.

                  • ???@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                    2·
                    1 year ago

                    Ah sorry I mixed up the threads. In another one, I was asking people what they would do if they were Hamas to reach a joint state solution. My bad.

                    You know what would not even remotely lead to such a solution? Kidnapping and murdering civilians.

                    I agree. Hamas are dumb as fuck.

                    Just so we’re clear, everyone loses here. But Israel is not going to negotiate with terrorists, nor should they.

                    And Israel won’t care about civilian lives either. Not wanting to negotiate with terrorists doesn’t mean all those kids in Gaza had to die. This is not what “not negotiating with terrorists” looks like. What it looks like is wanting to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.

                    In your example above, Israel takes all while Palestinians just get “prisoners” back (prisoners that are not really being tried for anything, a literal war crime, so for all intents and purposes they are not detained under any reasonable law and they don’t have the most basic of rights)… and Palestine gets nothing.

                    Seems to me like maybe Israel should negotiate with terrorists if it means less dead civilians. But Israel doesn’t care about that. And this is why we are here today.