Hamas says Israeli strikes have killed some captives and it will kill another if bombing without warning continues

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“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant said. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”

  • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
    2214·
    1 year ago

    How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?

    What do you ask for here? And what do you give up?

    • knotthatone@lemmy.worldEnglish
      92·
      1 year ago

      How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?

      You don’t. There’s no negotiating with terrorists, it’s too late. There is no good solution. The best Israel can do right now is make every effort to target Hamas, minimize civilian casualties and try to rescue as many people as they can.

      If they go nuts and start trying to exterminate in Gaza they’ll just fuel the next terrorist standoffs and keep this going for several more decades.

    • ???@lemmy.worldOP
      1711·
      1 year ago

      Release Palestinians illegally detained by Israel without trial in place fo the hoostages.

      • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
        24·
        1 year ago

        You know what. Sure. I think Israel will go for this.

        Release of all illegally detained Palestinians.

        In return, Israel gets

        • safe return of all hostages taken
        • complete surrender of all Hamas leadership
        • complete surrender and custody of all Palestinian combatants
        • including anyone who conspired or otherwise assisted in the recent act of terrorism
        • ???@lemmy.worldOP
          2·
          1 year ago

          Feels to me like that wouldn’t work on Hamas’ side. Another situation where Israel is the total winner.

          • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
            21·
            1 year ago

            Well since Hamas has already executed civilians, and Israel has both the military advantage and support of world leaders, they are not exactly negotiating from a position of strength.

            • ???@lemmy.worldOP
              2·
              1 year ago

              I don’t think your plan would even remotely lead to a joint country solution, more like Israel just wins.

              • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
                3·
                1 year ago

                I didn’t suggest any plan leading to a joint county solution.

                You know what would not even remotely lead to such a solution? Kidnapping and murdering civilians.

                Just so we’re clear, everyone loses here. But Israel is not going to negotiate with terrorists, nor should they.

                • ???@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                  2·
                  1 year ago

                  Ah sorry I mixed up the threads. In another one, I was asking people what they would do if they were Hamas to reach a joint state solution. My bad.

                  You know what would not even remotely lead to such a solution? Kidnapping and murdering civilians.

                  I agree. Hamas are dumb as fuck.

                  Just so we’re clear, everyone loses here. But Israel is not going to negotiate with terrorists, nor should they.

                  And Israel won’t care about civilian lives either. Not wanting to negotiate with terrorists doesn’t mean all those kids in Gaza had to die. This is not what “not negotiating with terrorists” looks like. What it looks like is wanting to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.

                  In your example above, Israel takes all while Palestinians just get “prisoners” back (prisoners that are not really being tried for anything, a literal war crime, so for all intents and purposes they are not detained under any reasonable law and they don’t have the most basic of rights)… and Palestine gets nothing.

                  Seems to me like maybe Israel should negotiate with terrorists if it means less dead civilians. But Israel doesn’t care about that. And this is why we are here today.

                  • newDayRocks@lemmy.world
                    1·
                    1 year ago

                    In your example above, Israel takes all while Palestinians just get “prisoners” back (prisoners that are not really being tried for anything, a literal war crime, so for all intents and purposes they are not detained under any reasonable law and they don’t have the most basic of rights)… and Palestine gets nothing.

                    Palestine also get the benefit of not having their cities ravaged while Israel troops hunt down enemy combatants. They get to keep some semblance of an autonomous nation. They also minimize civilian casualties in their end, if they actually cared about that.

                    Seems to me like maybe Israel should negotiate with terrorists if it means less dead civilians. But Israel doesn’t care about that. And this is why we are here today.

                    It’s very hard to make the argument that Israel should care about less dead civilians when the other side specifically targets civilians. I’m not sure why you keep expecting Israel to negotiate with restraint when they have no incentive to negotiate at all.

                    What will happen if Israel does not come to the table? Hamas will kill innocent people? And if Israel negotiates and comes to peace with Hamas, the killing will stop? History shows otherwise.

                    And since that killing innocent part already happens, there’s nothing left to bargain for is there?

                    I also take issue with the fact that bringing accountability to Hamas for what happened is considered one sided negotiations for Israel. How is justice for a terrorist act considered a total victory?