• HardlightCereal@lemmy.worldOP
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      To be fair, I’m not aware of any fediverse instances or other reddit alternatives that even have an appeals process. Reddit might be throwing away its best features, but it is a feature its competitors don’t even have yet.

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          And get re-banned if you post on the first instance from the remote. You can still be kicked out of communities because of misunderstandings and power tripping admins.

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            Why would you go back to a community you don’t agree with? There is a reason there are like 20+ “cats” communities on so many different instances; you can pick a different one, or start one yourself (and be the mod you want), or even a whole instance (and be the admin you want).

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              Sometimes some of the users are nice and you want to hang with them. Sometimes it’s just a misunderstanding. Sometimes you have a political motivation and are motivated not by self-interest to hang with cool people, but by a moral duty to make the world a better place

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                Create a community and invite over the nice users? If it’s just a misunderstanding, try talking it out with the mods? If you have a political motivation… sorry, can’t help you there, most online forums are not the place to run a campaign that doesn’t align with the nod’s views, there is no free speech protection on non-government property.

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          Yeah, but that doesn’t matter when the rules of dbzer0 prohibit prosocial behaviour. It’s against the instance rules to insult someone for being a nazi.

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                Hang on, you think dbzer0 is Ableist, I really don’t see how since he basically just explained that the rules aren’t black and white and that it’s a case by case basis. Nor how the users or dbzer0 itself is fascist by your opinion. I like to give people a chance but you must understand this seems very baity and kind of like trolling.

                Yeah I’m 100% certain you are a troll who provides very little value to this platform.

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                  Lol this is the person who was trying to argue the other day that narcissism was a disability that should provoke sympathy, rather than a negative trait that should be called out and worked on. So according to that logic, we should we feel sorry Donald Trump because of his narcissism now and not despise him, to use a topical example. I guess it’s subjective but I’d call that sort of argument a form of gaslighting. Like they’re saying, it’s not the narcissists who are the problem, it’s the people who don’t understand the narcissists who are the problem. Keep yelling into the wind buddy.

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        I got a temp ban for ‘trolling’ here on .world a few weeks back. Literally no notice at all. Had to go to the discord and ask. They instantly reversed it because they could tell I hadn’t been trolling.

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          Well in this case, my best guess is I’ve been banned because I contacted a mod team that doesn’t want to hear from me. Problem is, they’re leaking sensitive chats from back when I was a mod and using them to attack me on other platforms. I asked them to stop. I’m a victim of harassment, but they probably reported me and the Reddit employees don’t care enough about doing their jobs to investigate. I’ve been in situations like this before, and I was able to resolve it through the appeals process. But that’s not going to happen if they don’t tell me precisely why I’ve been banned or let me appeal it.

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            they’re leaking sensitive chats from back when I was a mod and using them to attack me on other platforms. I asked them to stop. I’m a victim of harassment, but they probably reported me and the Reddit employees don’t care

            A surefire way to make a company care, is to sue them. Just saying.

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              I already contacted the police about the situation and they said it’s not illegal. And I’m way too poor to sue a billion dollar company.

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                IANAL, but if they’re using private conversation contents without your permission to harass you… that sounds illegal to me.

                And you don’t need to be rich to sue anyone. To win the case, maybe, but not just to sue.

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                  The law doesn’t exist to protect people, it exists to protect capital. If you’re expecting to law to help trans people deal with abuse, you’re looking up the wrong tree.

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        Most instances have some way of contacting the admins and talking things out. Unlike Reddit’s “did anyone even read this?” process, they tend to be actual people who actually answer.

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          No, they don’t. You can’t contact the admins from an account you can’t log into, and you can’t log into a suspended account. Also, your PMs won’t be seen by any user native to a remote instance you’ve been banned from, including admins.

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            First, there is email, discord, element, etc. Check your instance for contact options, they usually have some. Second, you can use an alt account from anywhere in the fediverse to PM people. If you’re honest about it, you can find a way.

            Or… if you know you broke the rules and plan on doing it again, just move onto some other instance more accepting of your profile, there are 1000+ ones to choose from.

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    Nothing new, actually. When I was banned years ago (suspiciously after calling out some astroturfing), they didn’t give a reason either.

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      I pointed out that the Australian subreddits were being very obviously astro-turfed. And then I made a post naming the Aus PR companies that were openly running bot campaigns on Reddit and who was using them.

      That account got banned in record fucking time lol. And no reason was given either, it was a site-wide IP ban. Luckily one call to my ISP and that was sorted lol.

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        They welcome the evasion since they don’t actually want their number of ad impressions going down. They were just letting you know that under no circumstances were you to show anyone what’s behind the curtain.

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        Mind if I ask how long ago you were banned? It seems like over the last 6-9 months nationalist subreddits have ended up with a huge amount of sway in gettting people banned for arguing with them.

        IP ban isn’t the only way they can get you though. I’ve had them catch me out even with a fresh IP. They fingerprint browsers, using their own implementation of backend Google captcha (you don’t connect to gstatic.com, but redditstatic.com).

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          I think they use the email too. I once made a second with the same email and it was fine for a few minutes and then banned. I hadn’t voted or commented on anything yet.

          Then I made another with a brand new email on a different service and it too was banned pretty quick before I engaged with anything. That one I think was fingerprinted because my home IP changes every couple months naturally, so I wasn’t on the same IP that would have been banned. Also sometime around then I started using a VPN and it was still banned, so I’m thinking it was a fingerprint.

          At that point I was kinda over it but I was curious about the system. So I tried once more with another new service email, on a different IP from being on a mobile away from home. That one worked. It probably still works, but I don’t remember it or the password or the email I made for it. So it’s out there somewhere, but I don’t care any more because this all finished up around the time reddit killed third party apps, so I found this and my app came over, so I just entered the fediverse.

          I still have my NSFW account there which does still have all of my niche interests in far greater supply than I’ve found here so far. I’ve got my NSFW account here, but all the communities die pretty quick, so it’s not much use yet.

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            Somewhat, yes. I had a bunch of alts that used similar emails, they all got axed, but one was spared, perhaps because I never clicked to confirm the email. Then I suspect they linked any remaining or new accounts with different emails via a recent desktop browser.

            It was kind of cool looking into when everything was banned. Accounts I hadn’t logged into for years had been banned, all together - but not immediately with the first main ban.

            I think IP alone isn’t enough for them to decide to ban, though.

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      sounds about right. I got perma banned for “harassment” for essentially saying spez is a piece of shit lol

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        I got perma banned because I’ve gotten 4 or 5 accounts banned over the years for being toxic and harassing people. I made a joking “call to violence” and they hit me with a perma.

        Meh. I deserved it for sure. If they let me back on the platform I’d do it again 😈

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            Thanks! Yeah there are some other websites where people share their reddit troll victims and funny comment threads where people are losing their minds. It’s a fun little game to see how many people you can get.

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          It’s so weird how people want to downvote you for trolling shitty Reddit. If you love it so much, go back?

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            I can’t go back :( they fingerprinted my computer, phone, email, all of it. Allegedly I can go to a library and make a new account with a burner email but I haven’t tried.

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              They can’t fingerprint your computer, that’s a lie that Moderators tell to non-techsavy users to discourage ban evasion, just use the browsing history data you and the browser voluntarily give them, use Reddit through Tor and it won’t be effective, you can harass their admins constantly and they can’t do a thing about it, just keep banning the accounts (unless they want to Ban Tor which I don’t forsee happening at least for a while).

              Just don’t try pushing your luck because if you say anything too evil (i.e. threats of mass violence, mass destruction, violence or harm against the government, etc.) Dpeartment of Investigation, FBI, or Secret Service could still come after you with Tor.

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    Yea this recently happened to me. A had an argument with a mod and he reported a non offensive comment I had on his subreddit as a ban evasion. I got suspended for ban evasion despite not having another account. After my suspension ended he reported the exact same comment again giving me a second suspension. After the 3rd time I got banned entirely. 10+ year account with no prior suspensions/bans just gone because of one mod. Between that and RIF being gone, I’m just done with reddit.

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      Also ran afoul with a mod. Merari01 specifically. I reported one of his comments, and he sent it up as abuse of the report button. Insta perma banned. My account was registered in 2010.

      Reddit’s been awful for a while though so the loss wasn’t too bad.

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        The only good thing that came out of the API protest was watching AwkwardTheTurtle and iBleeedOrange get stabbed in the back and purged from the site by Spez.

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          I’m IP banned. doesn’t matter if it’s a new email, or device. I’ve tried many times and my accounts always get banned within 48 hrs. I haven’t tried getting a new modem yet, cause I don’t care that much about reddit.

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      They are over here too! A mod on world news on lemmy.ml was saying that Ukraine probably bombed their own people yesterday. Then when evidence came out that it was Russia he deleted his comment and everyone’s involvement with the conversation calling him out

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          Yeah I’m currently browsing everything and filtering out communities I absolutely don’t want to see. Unfortunately that’s the experience most new users will have here on lemmy too, and think that represents the vibe across the whole platform.

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              yeah, TONS of furries too. It used to be you could just block lemmynsfw.com (and have an alt account just for that instance if you like) but now new communities are popping up on random instances. I never know whether to block the whole instance or just the community every time.

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          Well there’s your problem.

          I can’t help but not read that in the Bostonian accent of the guy on the podcast now. I didn’t even like the podcast much and only listened to one or two episodes, but, well, theeyrs yer praahblem.

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    Stop! You’ve broken the law!

    Chances are you engaged in one of the following:

    Arguing an objectively correct viewpoint with a moron.

    Engaged in political sarcasm.

    Made use of hyperbole, facetiousness, or facetious hyperbole.

    Made a mod look stupid on their alt. account.

    Hurt a fascists feelings.

    Engaged in dark humour. (It’s like food, not everybody gets it.)

    Engaged in anti-reddit activism.

    Or just cause.

    If you’re feeling vindictive you can still request your data under GDPR every 30 days even on banned accounts and they have to comply by law.

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      Make sure you leave a bad review on the play/app store too, there’s so many negative reviews ‘absolute trash’ appears as a review topic

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    My guy, at this point you’re only abusing yourself. Time to look at the writing on the wall, that site died months ago (or years ago in my opinion), you will only suffer using it.

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        It’s crazy to think or maybe my memory is misremembering history a little bit(?), but for Reddit users in general it was like “it’s sad to leave this platform after +10 years” but with Digg it was mostly “yeah…fuck this place went to hell, I’m out!”

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    Isn’t it trivial anyway, since you can still create unlimited anonymous accounts via old.reddit? I guess getting banned may actually matter for the subs that have a karma minimum to post, but…

    …You could also just not use reddit.

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      Isn’t it trivial anyway, since you can still create unlimited anonymous accounts via old.reddit?

      wait, you can do that? does it check IP?

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        Yes but IP is less useful nowadays as a way to identify users. VPNs are commonplace now, everyone has at least two or three IPs (their home, their mobile, their work/school), more than one person can be using the platform in the same place, etc.

        Not to say they don’t pay attention to that but it’s not enough on it’s own.

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          sweet. well ill give it a shot for education and see how long it lasts. when i was permabanned my old alts also got banned within a few days (even though i hadnt used them in months)

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        It checks IP for things like you trying to boost your own posts. Beyond that it’s fine.

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      It’s never been something I’ve done, and I can’t say I really care, but that would make it difficult to comment in subreddits with a karma threshold.

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      Mods abuse power is a thing, it happens to even here in Lemmy.

      Though thankfully in Lemmy normal user has potential power to fight back with their own instance if they wish.

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        Yeah or make just make another account on a different instance or the same instance. Either way Mod abuse is significantly easier to overcome on the Fediverse.

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    This just so bad on so many levels.

    Reddit, people, need to explain why; is it a insta ban ? If you’re not explaining the reason nor linking the post in question; you’re offering zero path back

    One more reason to delete Reddit

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      They are doing this to reduce the reliance on mods. Tbf appeals almost never worked, but not linking content is explicitly to obscure accountability. It becomes harder to show that reddit moderation is garbage, even more so since the shortage, and much easier to automate.

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        They used to link to the content… then you followed the link, and all it said was “Removed by Reddit”. Guess they’re saving you a step there 🤷

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          They linked to comments and the sub too. Change the url from reddit.com/whatever to reveddit.com/whatever and you can see most of deleted comments.

          And even with a link you can see which comment it was in context and argue reddit was wrong/made the wrong decision/trying to burry something. They can also just ban people from discussions and claim it was “something they did in the past” but not say what.

          Reddit is not doing this to save you a click.

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            reveddit.com/whatever and you can see most of deleted comments.

            Deleted, not edited comments. The linked comment would be edited to say “Removed by Reddit”, which reveddit wouldn’t see as a deleted comment, and it didn’t keep an edit history so there was no way to see what the comment said before (I know, I tried).

            You could see it in context, but if you thought you didn’t break any rules, that wouldn’t help much, and no way to argue it.

            Anyway, my best ban was for “violent content” from a sub with no link. Decided to blank the last month of comments… and got suspended site wide for repeated “violent content” offense. Blanked 10 years of comments… and that bought me 2 more years before getting suspended again, and perma banned when I appealed the suspension.

            Cherry on the top: a couple months after being perma-banned site-wide, last week I got banned from a sub. Reason: link to a blanked comment, “breaking the sub rules”. OK 🥱