West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin called today’s vote to oust McCarthy a “sad day for our country” that sends a negative message to the rest of the world about American democracy.
-Said a douchebag who spent years obstructing progress.
Joe Manchin voting record sends a negative message to the rest of the world about American democracy.
West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin
They misspelled republican in disguise wrong
They misspelled it wrong, so they spelled it right?
Some misspellings are more correct than others.
Eli5 on Joe Manchin please? Never heard of him
Democratic senator from an otherwise red state. He tends to be a spoiler for Democratic plans, along with Kristen Synema.
If the GOP was closer to the center, he would likely switch parties.
from an otherwise red state
Not really, his voters overwhelmingly support progressive policies.
It’s just no progressive has a chance in the primary with the party blocking all of Manchin’s primary opponents.
It has been on a downswing lately tho. 2016 there was more D than R voters, and 2021 it got tied up.
I do t know why everyone acts like all these “red states” are worth writing off, it really wouldn’t be hard if we actually tried for them.
I don’t know where you’re getting there being more D than R voters in WV. The last two presidential elections went to Trump by 40 points
Manchin is a senator, which means the election is state-wide, and West Virginia is a deeply red state.
A Progressive candidate has 0 chance in West Virginia and any claim otherwise is quite simply wishful thinking.
Let’s leave the Bernie Math in 2016
Ugh I’m not gonna try like a little fuckwit
He’s not all bad. He has let the democrats get through as many judges as possible. That said, he is a bad look for the party hands down. He allows moderates to believe democrats have a plurality when really they are just being lead by the people the least to the left. So when things go wrong it was the other 48’s fault but not really.
You mean christofascist supreme court justices?
… no Joe Manchin has not helped the democrats appoint any christofascist Supreme Court Justices.
??? No, he helped the fucking Republicans do it. Wtf man?
The Republicans didn’t need his help.
Thank you
He’s a bitch boi
He’s like the swing vote guy, or one of them. Votes against party policy.
Summary of voting record: opposes big business, environmental protection, financial sector regulation, gun control, hawkish foreign policy, foreign and humanitarian aid, taxing the middle class, military spending, domestic surveillance. Supports taxing businesses, restrict money in politics, consumer protection, disaster relief, funding education, public health, labor rights and wages, lgbt rights, internet freedom, a robust safety net, higher spending, women’s rights.
Came across this site looking up an answer for you. http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Joe-Manchin-412391
Worth looking at it in more detail because he did vote to support abortion restriction so idk about supporting women’s rights etc.
I bet he said all that from the back of his yacht.
“Democratic Senator”
I want to keep this as civil as possible. The world would be a better place without Republicans in it.
Delete conservatism and religion.
If you deleted religion would conservatism even survive a few generations?
Without all authoritarians in it, in fact.
They can take a long walk off a short pier for all I care
Remember this is the same McQarthy who chose to kiss orange ass at every opportunity he got. He was given so many opportunities to do the right thing but deliberately chose to be an asshole and pack all the committees with Nazi caucus members. He did everything he could to push extreme right wing lunacy and kill bipartisanship.
Now the same Qevin turns around and makes a pikachu face why Dems didn’t save his sorry ass.
K-Mac was also the dude that said on the floor that Putin pays Trump and Dana Rohrabacher. Yet he continued to side with them, after Dead Eyes Paul Ryan told him to keep that info in the family.
Kevvy pooped in his bed and was surprised he woke up covered in shit.
We gonna get a carousel like the Conservatives in the UK last year? Will our next speaker outlast a cabbage?
On this side of the pond we use Scaramuccis
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No, because those things are so full of salt and other preservatives they’ll last forever.
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I’m uh… not sure?
I get that Dems are enjoying seeing the Republicans seem to fail, but I get the feeling this is going to turn out horribly. We’re going to see Speaker Jim Jordan or Matt Gaetz and the country will suffer for it.
Highly unlikely. Freedom caucus will not get the speakership. GOP hates them more than McCarthy. Gaetz didn’t think this through. The only option is more of the same or somebody more friendly to the Democrats.
The freedom caucus can block any nominee they want, and Republicans have made it clear they won’t accept someone that wants to work with Dems. It took 15 votes to get McCarthy as it was. I am not hopeful.
The freedom caucus can only block nominees if no compromise is made with dems. The gop can give concessions and have a speaker tomarrow if they like.
If they dont, then the house will have no speaker, and the GOP will get no bills passed of any type. The budget will be CRs until the election because none of the middle of the road GOP wants the shutdown fallout.
Then, hopefully all these clowns get walloped.
No bills can be brought without a speaker, so no CRs until a speaker is elected. The temp running the show has 3 powers: He can call a recess, adjourn, and call a vote for the speaker. That’s it. No other legislation passes unless they can get off their asses and put in a speaker.
Can’t the pro tempore bring bills before the house?
He can only run the voting for a new speaker
Can the govt shutdown proceed without a speaker?
Yes. A government shutdown is what happens when Congress fails to pass a law that allows the federal government the necessary funds to operate. If the House is unable to pass such a law, the federal government will shut down.
Oh yeah. 40 some days left.
Conservatives can’t govern.
If we oversimplify what happened, it’s hilarious that they are mad at him for voting with Dems, so they got rid of him by voting with Dems.
And one of the more likely scenarios is the non-freedom caucus GOP cuts a deal with Democrats to neuter freedom caucus’ power.
Which is what McCarthy should have done a while ago. “I won’t do this stupid impeachment inquiry as long as you back me when they try to oust me”
You’re assuming Kevin is smart.
I think he’s just terrified of Trumps base.
He is(edit: terrified, not smart). For sure. But the way you strip their power is by ripping the band-aid off and stop kowtowing to their non sense. That’s what actual leadership is. Saying “we need to do it this way because it’s the right thing to do” even if it’s hard or unpopular.
The Republican moderates, if any actually still exist, could take back control of their party if they really had the balls to. It would require them to call a spade a spade, and then start working with Democrats.
Only cuz abstain is same as a no vote tho, really.
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I mean they just showed they have the power to remove the speaker, the power goes through them
They wouldn’t have had the power without Dem votes, ironically.
Well, we have Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise as the choices. Both worse than McCarthy.
They gotta get the votes. Idk if u saw how Kevin struggled but he used everything he had politically to get that gavel in the first place… and even some he didn’t have. When he caved then that was when the idiots like gaetz knew he had kev by the balls…which is why we are here now.
I can’t shake the bad feeling that the timing is going to be a real problem once shutdown time rolls around here in less than 40-ish days. What if we don’t even have a fucking speaker at all by then??
There is the possibility that Dems coordinate a vote with the not-Freedom Caucus GOP to elect the least disagreeable candidate, though…
If that was a possibility, I would think they would have done so in one of the 14 ballots before Republicans settled on McCarthy.
Look what they did to Liz Chaney. They would expel a Republican that did that from the party, and then they would Primary them out of office.
The next speaker will be incentivized to neuter the freedom clowns after what happened to McCarthy.
So I think there is a better chance they try to strike a deal with the Dems. Honestly it’s just mins blowing to me that the Republicans see this absolute fiasco as a better outcome than getting 10-15 Dems on board. It wouldnt take much work.
Any Republican that works with Dems any more than McCarthy is likely to be primaried. They have brainwashed their base to think Dems = Evil, and working with them is worse than a deal with the Devil.
Republicans are stuck in this weird place where they do not have enough votes for a majority without the freedom caucus, but the base will replace them if they work with Dems. As such, they placate the freedom caucus.
They can’t do it like wounded gazelles. They have to act together or in larger numbers. Don’t get picked off one by one.
I know they are cowards, but jeez, I guess they can’t trust each other enough to do it together.
I’m not a betting man, but if i was, this will be the outcome.
Plus most ofvmy family would blame this all the dems for not reaching accross the asile, and being the party of devision.
“Yeah! Why aren’t dems meeting halfway between Donald Trump and Kevin McCarthy???”
Man, the GOP have really let themselves be gutted by their most extreme members.
Yeah man. I’m running out of popcorn here.
Now they’re a complete set of failures!
The Speaker position was but a mere stepping stone to their true calling of being wealthy k street lobbyists.
Hahahahaha
Fucking clowns
Could we please stop calling these agents of destruction “conservative”? They don’t want to conserve anything. “Destructives” would be better.
Reactionaries.
Tis the word to use.
*Russian agents
*paid russian assets
Apparently some of the Republicans are talking about nominating Trump as speaker. The speaker doesn’t technically need to be a member of congress. I wonder if there are enough anti-Trump republicans in the House to block that. If it’s a close vote and certain congress people block Trump, they could get a mountain of hate.
Amazing that the founding fathers didn’t contemplate the possibility of a felon under active lawsuits becoming speaker
They probably didn’t contemplate having an active child Diddler be speaker from 1987-2007 either, but Republicans sure love their historic firsts.
The founding fathers were amazingly shit at game theory.
Considering no one would formalize game theory for 150 years it’s not particularly surprising.
You don’t need to necessarily formalize game theory to consider things like: hey, we just gave the president the authority to pardon. Couldn’t they abuse that? What if they pardon someone who was doing something illegal that they ordered? What if they commit a crime and pardon themselves?
I mean, that’s the most obvious one that you don’t really need formal game theory to know could be a problem. Then there are all the other problems. Checks and balances are good, but when a powerful faction uses its power to put loyalists into the thing that’s supposed to balance them, the system seems to unravel.
Only 3-4 republican votes are needed to block any candidate since the Democrats will all be voting against.
Yes, but if Trump is on board, can you imagine the mountain of hate mail and death threats those 3-4 would receive? Would they have the guts to accept that consequence?
This is one of the least likely scenarios.
That sounds scary if possible
It’s not
that ain’t going to happen
Speaker of the house is 3rd in line to take over if the VP and Pres are dead or unavailable.
Question is if you think that MAGA and foreign intelligence would be up for forcing that issue.
Making Trump speaker would be a major national security risk to Biden and Harris. Gives way too many lunatics big ideas is there’s a direct benefit to their movement. Not to mention it WAYYY to closely mirrors the arc of Hitlers rise. Failed coup attempt, followed by taking on a secondary post a few years later.
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As it stands the GOP seem unlikely to be able to elect a speaker. Speakers provide a list of people to become temporary speaker in case of emergency, so upon McCarthy’s ouster rep. Patrick McHenry became speaker pro tempore. Speakers pro tempore have only the authority to gavel sessions in and out, and to conduct votes for a new speaker.
Basically McHenry’s first act with the gavel was to order Pelosi out of her offices. What an asshole
Right?
I’m no fan of hers, but jeez McHenry… let’s see, what’s more important: try to get the House back on track, or engage in petty, vindictive partisan bullshit?
I’m glad the House passed that CR, though I’m not sure they’ll have a new speaker before it runs out.
Pretty, vindictive, partisan power-grabbing shit. The interim speaker shouldn’t even be able to do that
Now wait a minute…I thought they liked McCarthy SOOOO much, they were willing to vote for him as speaker 15 times in a row just this year?
The first 14 times McCarthy failed to get voted in. They disliked McCarthy so much it took 15 votes to get them in the first place.
Correct. And instead of fixing the issue…here we are. But hey, they got a beefier salary out of it.
What was McCarthy’s plan?
He spent the last week daring Gaetz to file the motion, and once it happened, that was it? No political maneuvering or deal making? Just let the chips fall where they may?
Deep down I don’t think he wanted it anymore. Trying to wrangle this shitshow of a party for 8 months has probably taken a decade off his life.
The same reason Trump couldn’t keep a press speaker for more than 6 months at a time.
I can’t wait for a historic 16 rounds of voting to get a speaker this time.
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Probably because he went back on the deal that he made with Biden after the Debt Ceiling thing. If he had stuck to that, he might have gotten enough Democrats to vote “present” to have survived the vote.
But why throw any support to a person you can’t trust?
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This is a republican problem. They renegged the budget, they caused the shutdown, they ousted their speaker when he swerved to avoid it. The republicans have all the votes they need to not fuck over the constituents. All they have to do is their job. Dems know they won’t do it. Every second republicans are burning political capital.
Yep, and they’re wasting the time they have with a majority in the House.
The Freedom Caucus is acting like a crew of undercover Democrats infiltrated the Republicans Party to sabotage it by acting like caricatures. Like, back in 2010ish, some people that were fed up with Republicans being so rigid would complain by exaggeraing their politics, and these Freedom Caucus dipshits said, “Let’s do that, but for for real.” However, they’re in effect practically helping the Democrats. This is crazy 😮
What is the better alternative? What if there isnt a speaker by the time the stop gap measure expires?
I have this same question too, and - with all due respect - it would be nice if someone had a response other than blaming Republicans and just leaving it at that (I mean, it’s absolutely their fault, but it doesn’t answer the real question).
It would be nice to know Dems have a plan after taking this action. I’m fairly certain they do, but best I can do now is guess how it might play out. Not reassuring…
McCarthy basically spat in the Democrats face and tried to blame them for the shutdown. So Dems told him to eat a bag of dicks.
Right, it was a quintessential FAFO situation there.
However, what now? We’re still staring down a shutdown very soon. I’d just like to know Hakeem’s got a plan, y’know?
I mean if they play their cards right we might have speaker Jeffries for, like, a day.
I mean if they play their cards right we might have speaker Jeffries for, like, a day.
