Why are distro communities turning linux more and more into Windows and Mac OS clones?
This is why I use Arch.
Friends don’t let friends use Manjaro
Use EndeavourOS or another Arch derivative instead.
I’m usually a defender of opt-out telemetry in Linux, what with it usually being trivial to untick in the installer, the telemetry not being invasive, the telemetry being private and not being able to identify people, it being used to actually benefit Linux rather than make money, and because opt-in telemetry is useless (as repeatedly stated by multiple Linux projects that I trust, such as KDE and Gnome)…
That said, holy shit this telemetry collects stuff it really should not be collecting. This is not what Linux telemetry should be. Doubly so from a distro with a troubled past in terms of management and security. This is a red flag.
Manjaro manages to do just about everything wrong for one reason or another. They’re trying to be the Canonical of the Arch ecosystem and they’re not even close to competent enough to pull it off.
I’m sure they’ll find some way to DDOS something with their own telemetry sooner or later.
Yeah, I don’t understand why people use it, it’s just more buggy Arch. If you really don’t want to deal with the installer, use an installer like Endeavor OS.
Or if you think Arch is unstable, use a different distro, because Manjaro is worse. I like openSUSE Tumbleweed (also rolling, but much more reliable), and there are tons of other great distros (Fedora/Garuda, Debian/Mint, etc). Use pretty much anything but Manjaro…
For gaming rigs, check out Garuda, imo a pretty nice Arch distro without telemetry and easy installation.
Oh boy looks like my weekend will be spend learning and trying to install Arch without a graphical installer. To be fair Manjaro on my laptop was my first try at Arch. I never thought how much I will come to like AUR.
EndevaourOS is already on my gaming rig so plain Arch for my laptop seems like a good challenge. Farewell Manjaro, I learned a lot
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archinstallscript is officially supported and very straightforward. like, almost Calamares-but-in-TUI straightforward.It’s not that hard, just read the install guides and instructions. My first Arch install was like 8y ago and I expected it to be difficult - it wasn’t.
Meanwhile my first Gentoo system… I was expecting to be not so bad… Holy f I was wrong
The compile times are abusive on older hardware for sure
I got a Xeon E3-1220 V3, thought it’d handle well A whole ass day and it still wasn’t done
After you figure out how to properly partition your disk, you learn how the entire setup is actually quite simple Basically, Mount partitions, pacstrap to install the base system, generate fstab, chroot in, create a unprivileged user and add it to sudo, setup grub, configure internet, exit chroot and unmount, reboot into the newly installed system, configure X11/Wayland to your liking
Installing Arch is a lot easier than fixing a bad Manjaro update. I get that it’s intimidating, but it’s really quite easy if you can follow instructions, but budget a couple hours your first time because you’ll probably second-guess everything. The second time should be more like 30 min.
'Till you figure out that, on Arch, if you missed/broke anything, you can boot into the Arch USB, mount your root into /mnt, and arch-chroot in to fix whatever is broken
Yup, a live image works in a pinch. IMO, just use BTRFS on root and install something like snapper to handle snapshots and you shouldn’t need the live USB (unless you bork your bootloader somehow).
Be me, and bork BTRFS itself while trying to compile OpenMW from source
How did you manage that??
There are things in this world you are not meant to fiddle with And apparently, glibc is one of 'em
I highly recommend BTRFS as your root filesystem, and then configure snapshots. This way if an update goes sideways (pretty rare), you can roll back and wait for fixes.
I haven’t used Arch for a few years, but my openSUSE Tumbleweed install came with it by default, and it has saved me a few times in the 7 or so years I’ve used it. Maybe the new instructions include that, idk, but you’ll be glad you have it.
If I were using Manjaro right now, at the first opportunity, I would be switching to something else. Too much enshitification happening everywhere, and people need to start voting with their “wallets” to stop these greedy fucks.
Finally time to update manjarno.snorlax.sh again -_-
I was just getting used to using Manjaro for my dev machines due to rolling release. Gotta find new flavor now.
Consider Endeavour.
Yup saw it recommended in one of the comments as well, I’ll look it up.
OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Reliable and up to date.
Haven’t touched suse ecosystem since they were suse. Now I just feel comfortable with Debian or arch.
Well Debian doesn’t have a rolling distro, does it?
It was something that underpinned your choice and now it’s not. I’m not sure why you said gotta find when you already knew the answer.
Got into rolling release very recently with Manjaro (realized Debian doesn’t have rolling release). Just started getting used to arch packaging. I wouldn’t consider myself knowledgeable in rolling release options
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since a third of manjaro is coming form austria, i apologize ⅓ times for its existence
Oh, you can vote whether it should be opt-in or opt-out.
Oh, voting requires “Trust level 1”.Anyway, I may stop donating to Manjaro due to this. Now I just go with Arch anyway.
archinstalleven makes it quick to setup a VM.Oh, voting requires “Trust level 1”.
I’ve found that some people use Linux just to be apart of the “cool tech kids” on the internet. They don’t understand how to use a CLI, what kernel level access is, what a kernel is, or even how Linux actually works as opposed to Windows/Mac.
I think Manjaro was made for them. It’s like the MLM version of a Linux distro.
This is a “cool tech kid” opinion. Linux is for EVERYONE. Let’s not gatekeep it. Having GUI tools and stuff that is so easy to use that tech-illiterate people can use Linux is a great thing.
