• Etterra@lemmy.world
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    Remember, pirates did fly red flags as well as black ones. The red ones meant you were extra fucked.

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      I think black was like, “We just want your shit and we’ll let you live if you surrender” while red was like, “We’re gonna kill and then take your shit or take your shit and then kill you, either way you will not survive,” kinda thing.

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      What was the point of the red flags? Or… why would anyone choose to fly a red flag? I’m trying to understand why anyone would broadcast “if we come near you, you’re fucked”. It seems a bad hunting strategy.

      Also, why didn’t merchant ships fly red flags to be less bothered by pirates?

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        Red meant that no quarter would be given, they’re going to fucking kill you. Black flag meant they would take your shit without slaughtering you. Granted, fighting back would still get you killed either way. Pirates tended to make examples sometimes, or want revenge, thus slaughter. Of course if they didn’t kill everyone, they might press-gang you into service, and now your a pirate too. So red means you’re dead.

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          I get what you’re saying, I’m struggling to understand why any pirate would ever want to fly a red flag.

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    female as an adjective for clarification (like “oh you’re looking for that female doctor over there”) is ok, female as a noun is just weird

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    I been wondering people’s opinion of “Female” in some instances. Like is “First Female president/athlete/mayor/lawyer” appropriate? “First woman____” doesn’t sound right and you wouldn’t say “first man athlete to run 2 hour marathon” you would use male.

    Most things can be rephrased maybe, but obviously using Females outside these instances is very right wing cringe.

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      “Female” is fine to use as an adjective.

      It’s also fine to use as a noun when describing livestock, which is why it’s a red flag to describe women that way.

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        What is a good word to use for people who are female of any age including young children that are not old enough to be called women in addition to women?

        ‘Women and girls’ is pretty clunky when talking about something that is gender specific, but applies to all ages.

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          Women is probably fine to use when the ages can be gleaned from context. You can also make the noun non gendered and use female as a adjective like “female students” or “female patients”

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            I’m mainly asking when ages span from birth to old age and the goup would basically be “female persons” or “male persons” which is clunky.

            Sometimes it can be rephrased, but it often requires multiple words to mean the same thing. Plus “women of all ages” will be read as not including children.

            I’m mostly pissed that sexists ruined the only single word term we have for half of the population.

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                It is important that when we are addressing issues of sexism, that we try to make sure that the ideas are easily understood by women, men, girls, and boys so that everyone understands how to support equality. If we only focus our effort on men and boys, without recognizing the influence also has on women and girls, then it will not be as successful. For example, the social expectations of women and girls to dress in certain ways is commonly enforced by men, women, girls, and boys even if the influence is only targeted at women and girls. Not to mention the toxic masculinity that is applied to men and boys by men, women, boys, and girls that are commonly reinforced by telling men and boys to ‘man up’ in stressful situations.

                You are right, that is smooth as butter.

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            I absolutely would use males in that context. “Toxic masculinity has a detrimental affect on males of all ages” sounds perfectly fine to me because I don’t know of a different label for the group and males doesn’t have the same dehumanizing usage as females.

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              Male is literally the same kind of word just for the opposite sex/gender; the term specifically points out the ability to produce sperm (in many dimorphic species) for the purposes of reproducing with the opposite sex. It’s literally just saying “your distinguishing characteristic is your ability to inseminate another of your species” and is just as dehumanizing.

              The reason you would use it in that context is because it’s “[gender specific noun] of all ages.” Where if you were to say “boys of all ages” or “men of all ages” it would imply either all ages under 18 or all ages at or over 18.

              This is the same context in which you would use female as a noun, as girl/woman implies a restricted age range, just as boy/man, when you specifically don’t want one.

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                Doesn’t “men and boys” have exactly the same meaning though?

                I don’t feel deshumanized for being called a male.

                Disclaimer: I don’t use the noun “female” because I know some find it offensive.

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      Woman as an adjective is picking up in my circles and podcasts I listen to. Woman scientist, woman entrepreneur. It may have sounded weird initially, but I’ve gotten over it and I suspect it will develop over time to be completely normal.

      I wouldn’t really compare it to the male/man counterpart, because men aren’t demeaned by being called “male” regularly.

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        I agree it works in most cases it works fine but like “First woman astronaut” feels weird.

        I mostly didn’t want to be accidentally participating in something shitty.

        Edit: or like “fastest woman athlete”

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          Yeah, I remember feeling like it was weird, but both of those sound absolutely fine to me now.

          I also would never balk at “female” as an adjective in those cases, nor assume the speaker was being misogynist.

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          I think both kinda sound equally weird because we for a lot of words like astronaut, the astronaut is already assumed to be male unless otherwise indicated. So male astronauts or man astronauts both sound clunky and kinda weird, and the weirdness translates over when you start indicating the astronaut is a woman by saying “woman astronaut” or “female astronaut.”

          The English language, and historical baggage just kinda fucked us on this one. We used to add ‘ess’ to the ends of words to indicate gender, but that was dropped outside of the use of waitress or actress for the most part. Not sure why that stopped, but I’m sure it’s interesting and I’m going to go look it up later.

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    Uterus having creatures

    Squishy Chested Humans

    Temperamental Beings

    Confusing Loud Wind Atronach

    Ever Bleeding Never Dying

    Human human Grower

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    Okay here’s my pirate joke.

    A ship is sailing the high seas when the crows nest guy calls down, “Pirate ship ahoy!” The captain tells the cabin boy, “Fetch my reddest jacket!” The boy brings the reddest jacket he can find and the captain puts it on. They engage in battle and sink the pirate ship. The boy asks, “Cap’n, why did you call for your red jacket?” The captain says, “So that if I should be wounded in battle the crew would not notice the blood and lose their fighting spirit.”

    Next day the crows nest calls down, “Twenty pirate ships ahoy!” The captain tells the cabin boy, “Fetch by brownest pants!”

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      Well since we’re telling pirate jokes…

      A guy is at a party and sees a pirate coming towards him. He notices as the pirate approaches that the pirate has a little wheel sticking out of his pants.

      Naturally curious, the guy asks the pirate, “why do you have a little wheel sticking out of your pants?”

      “Arr,” says the pirate. “I don’t know, but it be drivin’ me nuts!”

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      Thank you! This is always the first thing that pops into my head whenever I read somebody using “females” instead of “women”

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    I wonder if the joke would work better if it actually was a black background. This might also keep the ‘its a sail’ gang happier.

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      Yeah, but those people don’t get defensive when you comment on it, while those who are raising the red flag immediately do. It’s pretty easy to tell them apart from that point forward.

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      What a sweetheart you are. Can’t even let a webcomic get away with not being inclusive.

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      Pretty sure non natives will be the first ones to use “woman” and not “female”. I know it’s not something we say in French anyway, a woman is a woman.

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        a woman is a woman

        Problematic part

        Blague à part, il existe d’autres langue (non-indo-européennes) ou la distinction est moins aisée à faire. Par exemple en Hongrois on dit “nő” pour “femme” et “nőstény” pour “femelle”, mais on peut les interchanger dans certains cas et les traducteurs automatiques s’y emmêlent les pinceaux des fois.

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      Naw, they were using that before all the anti trans nonsense. It’s more about their inability to see women as human. They identify them more for their gender than being the same species as them. If they started calling them women that would humanize women too much…

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    How do I formally refer to a girl I do not respect(because she’s a menace) who is late 40’s early 50’s? So the different terms have implications I don’t care for it want to convey.

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    These very same people would have no problem calling women ‘people that birth’.