• regul@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    If you (or anyone else) will never change your vote about it, why would they adjust their position?

    You’ve given them no downside to continuing to support genocide other than the weight of thousands of innocent dead on their consciences. It should be fairly obvious how much that affects them.

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      3 months ago

      Unfortunately, there is a downside to allowing Trump to win. It’s the trolly problem and yes I will help pull the lever that kills people to keep even more people from dying.

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      Following polls, they would have an upside of about a 6 point boost if they changed on policy. Which is certainly significant with the race as close as it is.

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      Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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      In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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      Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

      Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

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      3 months ago

      What are we going to change our vote to? Only two parties can win this year (let’s change that) and the other option is worse on this issue.

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        I’ll vote for someone who is vocally and demonstrably anti-genocide. If that’s neither of the main parties’ candidates that’s their problem.

        I will not vote for genocide.

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          Not voting is a choice. Not voting is saying you’re okay with either option. You’re OK with fascism because you can’t bear to have neoliberalism instead. Maybe you’d rather have genocide of both Arabs and Latin Americans? Maybe you’d rather have a president who has promised to make the genocide worse than one who might put some amount of pressure to make it less bad.

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            I’d rather have a president who’s anti-genocide, so I’ll be voting for one of the anti-genocide candidates.

            You’re okay with voting for genocide. I’m not.

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      Welcome to two party systems. The only way out is to abolish FPTP voting, the electoral college and (In the case of local/state elections) gerrymandering.

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      You wanna go to prison for that wrong-think. Cause that is what the other candidate is going to do. As well as provide EVEN MORE support to Israel.

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        Both parties are currently fighting each other over who can say they support Israel more right now. They’re both falling over each other to do more genocide. I’m not voting for a candidate that supports genocide. I’m especially not voting for a candidate who thinks doubling down on doing genocide is going to get them more votes.

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          One party has actual muslims in it’s caucus. the other party is obviously in the bag for Bibi.

          I call bullshit, you were either never going to vote or never going to vote dem either way.

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              you’ve missed the entire point. we wouldn’t vote for a trump no matter what party. we weigh the good against the the bad and make an informed, imperfect decision.

              That’s the system we’ve got. Man, I would love for this election to propel a new third party based on ideal policies into the fray - I REALLY DO - but whining and moaning that you WON’T choose between the two NOW is years too late. And it fucks LGBTQ, women, immigrants, ukraine and so many others over.

              Stop being a one-issue dilettante and join the real world.

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                no, I got the point perfectly. if the democrat party put a clone of trump as their pick for president, and he was running against the non-clone trump, you would vote for the trump clone, and convince yourself that you were making an informed, measured, tactical, grown-up choice. it’s mass delusion.