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      I know it’s an old joke but they really are considering it more of a Geneva Checklist, it seems.

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        That really depends on whose ambulance it is and how, exactly, it’s being used. If it’s specifically assigned to the military for casualty transport then it’s a target. But if it’s a civil service that’s just the closest response after a bombing then congratulations, you’ve committed a war crime by attacking it.

        Which is why other militaries go out of their way to make sure they aren’t targeting civil health infrastructure. Versus Israel who seems to be treating it like a target list. Again.

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        The Israeli military also claimed on Saturday, **without providing any evidence, **

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    What the IDF actually said:

    In a post on X, the IDF’s Arabic spokesperson threatened that it would target “any vehicle carrying armed men, regardless of its type.”

    Using ambulances to transport active combatants is a war crime and the vehicle loses its protection.

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      The IDF literally masqueraded as medical personnel and assaulted a hospital while still in medical garb. Just saying…

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          That was a special police operation, IIRC, where IHL doesn’t apply.

          Using military personnel in a military occupied country, is a “special police operation”, huh?. It sounds like just redefining things now. Like the special military operation of Putin which is totally not an invasion of a sovereign nation.

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            I looked up the event you’re probably referring to. It was in area A, so even if it was a police unit, these should be considered combatants and international conflict. Operating in area A is a breach of the Oslo accords for Israeli forces.

            The squad executing the targeted killing of one militant in the hospital were clothed in different civilian clothes (men, women) as you can see in the video. Only a minority of them wore medical uniforms.

            The article doesn’t say, but I remember reading somewhere that it was a border police operation. The IDF and Israeli police forces have special units that specialize in undercover work and blending in with the Palestinian Arab population.

            One could argue that covert infiltration and targeted killing avoided civilian casualties that would have occurred using a uniformed frontal assault.

            Under IHL these Israeli operatives would be classified as spies and not get protections reserved to prisoners of war.

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              The article doesn’t say, but I remember reading somewhere that it was a border police operation.

              I don’t think we can rely on your imperfect memory. As far as I’m concerned. this was a war crime, much worse than what IDF is complaining about in the OP since it was actually clear and not just “we killed them, therefore they were combatants” CYA.

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              Nobody cares what you call them. They are armed and agents of the state. That’s a war crime.

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      So the Lebanese police too?

      Just declaring anyone with a rifle as part of the enemy is a wild way to get yourself in front of the Hague.

      But also no. It depends on what the ambulance is doing. Going to the hospital? That’s a war crime. Moving armed soldiers to the Frontline, that’s a target.

      It’s not nearly as simple as gun=target. This is the military, not the American police.

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          So, if you’re a police officer and a foreign nation is invading, you should just stand around looking really disappointed?

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        Treating wounded is never a war crime.

        If a combatant is hors de combat, no longer able to fight, then they are no longer a valid military objective.

        If the IDF shuttles soldiers ready to fight to the front using an ambulance, it’s a war crime. Shuttling injured soldiers from the front to the back is not a war crime.

        Hezbollah and also Palestinian militant groups have been observed to use ambulances to do the former.

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        The Guardian are pretty much the voice of New Labour, who are totally in bed with Israel (they’re still sending them weapons and even sent surveillance planes to help them in Gaza).

        If The Guardian is actually critical of Israel and the IDF that’s a pretty good indication that the Zionist Genocide has already burned most of their good will even in Britain which is one of the most right wing states in Europe and has a history of invariably either being one or supporting White Colonist States in their Genocides of the locals (remember how they supported Appartheid until the last minute and even called Mandela “a terrorist”?!).