They’re not wrong though
Hmm, does it count if the animal (human, in this case) could be omnivorous, but chooses not to be for whatever reason?
Herbivores can be carnivorous. I’ve seen plenty of videos of horses and cows cromching on baby chickens.
I think you don’t understand the definition then. When herbivores happen to eat some animals, like when cows eat baby chickens, it doesn’t make them carnivores just for doing so. They’re still herbivores
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That’s how I see it. I’m a vegetarian omnivore, if my life depended on it I would eat meat.
Anybody would do that?
Yes, I’m saying humans are omnivores and vegetarianism is just a choice.
I like to think of the distinction in a de jure vs de facto way.
If all the evidence we have of a species is them consuming autotrophs, then we do mental gymnastics and induce that they are 100% herbivores.
Of course this also leaves room for an herbivore’s potential to consume heterotrophs, in which case our knowledge would have to update and reflect reality. Maybe 99% herbivore, 1% carnivore.
And at that point, we may still do mental gymnastics and call species herbivores because that is their normal behavior, where their abnormal behavior is shown due to abiotic or biotic factors, perhaps from loss of habitat or removal/introduction of species in the food web, etc.
Edit: for humans, I’d say we can classify different humans differently because of the times we live in (it’s so easy to be a vegan nowadays) and our natural, higher moral concepts and empathy.
I hated school before, but getting trash thrown at me and I was the one called to the office to stop what I was doing.
I went to a private elementary school where I had the same teacher for 1st through 6th grade. Not only did the kids bully me, so did he. And he encouraged the other kids to do it, even my friends. I’m relatively certain, looking back on it, that it was in part because I’m Jewish.
He also once did something that would 100% have put him on a sex offender list today. Once I started crying because of how they were treating me and he put me on his lap and kissed me on the cheek and started calling me a little baby. But it was the 80s, so apparently that was okay.
I discovered he had an email address a while back and I sent him an email telling him that he fucked up my childhood and that he, as a professed Christian, now knows that he will go to his grave unforgiven because there is no possible way he could do enough to earn my forgiveness.
He replied, I deleted it without reading it. Fuck him.
The bigoted piece of shit also was in the Peace Corps in the Cameroon and because of that, thought it was totally appropriate to dress in the traditional clothing of Cameroonian people every Halloween. Unsurprisingly, the two Jewish kids and the two black kids in school were treated the worst by him. One of the two black kids was a girl who very definitely had dyslexia. Wow did he humiliate her over it constantly.
The funny thing is that he basically terrified me into not explaining what he was doing to my parents explicitly enough. They saw weird signs, but also always told me that I’d be treated worse in public school, which was proven untrue when I went to middle school, because as shitty as middle school kids are to each other, at least the teachers generally didn’t take the side of the bullies and encourage them to bully harder. They only knew when my mom ran into one of the people I went to school with in a supermarket who told my mom that she felt so bad for me when we were in that hellhole.
Wow. Im sorry that happened to you.
I had a rough middle years in public school, but the teachers were always supportive, and I cant imagine not having that while students were bullying.
Even more so encouraging it…
Thanks. I’ve mostly overcome it. One of the reasons I emailed that fucker. To let him know I did okay anyway.
When I left my old workplace my colleagues organized a good-bye meal together. Standard office job, with regular guys. We had a great relationship and they knew I was vegetarian for 5+ years at that point and never had any issue with it.
So they asked which restaurant I would like to go and I was stupid enough to let them choose.
We ended up in a specialized Brazilian meat restaurant, where the servers go around with absurdly large pieces of grilled/fryed meats and would carve a piece to the guests. If you are a meat lover you can have easily 10-15 types of meats in a couple of hours.
Those assholes had a huge grin on their faces all evening, as I could only eat the sides from the buffet and had to refuse all meals from the servers about 12 time that evening. It was a truly memorable night, we even got drunk and laughed our asses off on our way home.
So yeah, not just kids can be assholes. We are still in contact till this day.
That’s pretty fucked up. I love Texas de Brazil but I wouldn’t bring a vegetarian friend there to watch me hurt myself on all you can eat meat.
While celebrating them, no less
Yeah, I don’t like to think that far into it because it fucking hurts my heart. I love meat. But I’ve got family and friends that are vegan and vegetarian of different stripes. I will invite them to my cookouts and have a whole ass kettle grill that has never had an animal product cooked on it. That’s just for regular summer shit, not even celebrating them.
Jokes should punch up if they’re going to punch someone. Hitting a vegetarian is fucked up. They ain’t done shit to nobody.
Honestly, everyone just being a little gracious is all you really need.
I’m vegan and I have no issues going to a normal bbq place for someone else’s party(though I don’t know what this place would be like). I can eat corn and undressed salad for a meal, I’ll survive. If the party were for me, I’d probably feel like it was passive aggression or a weird test though.
Similarly, there will be non-vegan food when I introduce my husband to my family and celebrate our wedding in my home country with a potluck, because one of my sisters has celiac’s and the other IBS, which restricts her fiber intake. I would have been totally cool with exclusively mashed potatoes (skin off) for dinner and sorbet for dessert, but I don’t think many others would be, and there’s not much else that works for all of us.
Sure, I could tell them not to bring non-vegan food, but that’s not very gracious, and I want people to be comfortable. They’d probably agree and either eat ahead of time or leave earlier and eat on the way home, so it’s not like there’s a practical difference in meat consumption, and it’s a great way to make people feel less welcome.
To be fair the place had a great buffet with a large selection of sides and great cocktails, I ended up eating mac and cheese, curly fries and some salad. Even tried some grilled seasoned pineapple so it was at least memorable.
This place was called Nabrasa.
I mean, that’s fucked up and hilarious. I’m a dirty omnivore and those places are no more appetizing to me. Those cuts at the all you can eat Brazilian places SUCK.
But surprisingly, when I want a predictable vegetable side while I’m traveling, I go to a steakhouse. Every other place seems to serve either microwaved bag veggies, fried bullshit, or something sad smothered in sauce. Go to a steakhouse and I can get a rare well seasoned aged filet and two steamed fresh vegetable sides plus a salad. The only reliable vegan places I’ve found are Indian, which isn’t bad, but is often not really to my taste. Obviously I’m no vegan, but I think it’s fair to say I love plant based foods even more as long as they’re not fake meat, fake cheese, or overly spiced mush. In a meat centric region that’s a hard palette to satisfy sometimes.
Can agree, steak fries and steamed veggies are usually great at steakhouses.
A 12 year old drew a recognizable picture of another 12 year old? Doubt it.
You just pick something obvious and over elaborate on it. Big glasses, bright blue hat, etc also kids are mean, so pick a flaw, same idea.
Or write their name on it.
Best with a mean nickname…“vangoghismyboyfriend is a herbi-whore”
would this text land differently if “public school” were replaced with “school”? 🤔
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well, that’s good to know, i guess.
¡Bueno! 😉
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Yikes.
The fact that 5 kids knew well enough about the OP’s vegan status to use them as an example meant that the person probably never shut up about it.
Or they saw him eating differently at lunch, and asked their parents why.
Makes too much sense, probably the victim’s fault instead /s
If they were classmates this info would be common knowledge after a few meals together.
Or you know he turned down meat offered or was asked why he ate different food?
There’s always a person who can’t just take the joke
Vegans bad, we get it. How dare they to live according to their moral beliefs
Living to their beliefs is not a problem. Them trying to impose their beliefs however… I still remember a guy who described my meal as disgusting and mumbled something about murder.
“impose their beliefs”
It seems like you confuse it with religion. It’s not about beliefs, it’s about whether or not we find certain actions in our society to be morally wrong. Either you can justify your actions morally or you can’t. For example: “Beating women is fine”. Can it be justified morally? No. Can you prove through logic that it’s wrong? Yes, easily, by simply pointing out that trivial reasons like personal pleasure aren’t justification to bring suffering upon other individuals. If you’d, however, insist on beating women, how would you call that?
Nice example of how not to communicate. But what has this to do with what we’re talking about?
I am not confusing anything. Veganism don’t have any rational basis and it is therefore a belief.
No, it’s obviously not. I recommend informing yourself.
Obviously it is. With a lot of zealots as seen in this thread.
Theres just one thing quite obvious in this thread:
You love to state your opinion, even though you spread nonsense by that. And you also like to talk shit about other people when someone presents you facts that you don’t like
Viva la free speech I guess
“No it isn’t”
“Yes it is”
Argument won, great job 👍
It’s funny considering how eating meat and using animal products is normalized in society, that when a vegan states a differing opinion (that also happens to be a fact) it’s automatically them imposing their beliefs on people. I guess it’s a symptom of the omnivore’s cognitive dissonance activating for a moment.
Would it be acceptable for someone calling you a murderer for eating meat, wearing leather shoes or driving petrol car?
Maybe it’s stretching the word meaning a bit but I’d definitely be contributing to animal murdering by eating meat. The same applies if I buy new leather shoes. Driving a petrol car, otoh, the connection to animal killing is not as straightforward, but it’s harmful for the environment and hence harming wild animals as well.
So yes, it’s not polite, but acceptable.
be contributing to animal murdering by eating meat.
🤦♂️ Not a religion imposing their beliefs at all.
Indeed. Can you point any inconsistencies in that sentiment, or prove it false? If not, what’s the problem here?
Unfortunate that you are downvoted to shit. This was my first thought as well. Kinda cements the " vegans can do no wrong" opinion about themselves.
From the Vegan Bullshit Bingo:
#30 How do you spot a vegan?
Haha @hobowillie, that’s hilarious! Mostly by what you also recognize human rights, women’s and all other activists by: They talk about the grievances they have discovered and want to fix. By the way: Often vegans can also be recognized by the fact that they peacefully eat their soy schnitzel at the barbecue until someone, driven by their own bad conscience, has to make a comment about it and is suddenly angry at vegans for some reason after they have calmly and kindly explained their motivations upon request.#54 Vegans think they are better than everyone
While it feels good to know that you have questioned traditions and made your own informed decisions in line with values that reject violence rather than promote it, you should not get on a high horse, because almost all vegans were once not vegan and everyone can take this step. However, completely refusing to address the issue is a difficult stance to take. By the way: Just because a vegan once told you an uncomfortable truth, they were not being mean to you. And even if you didn’t like a vegan once, that doesn’t question the whole point of veganism or justify continuing to exploit animals.
