If you resold Taylor Swift Eras Tour tickets, the IRS is watching — A new rule from the IRS is punishing those who resold tickets for more than $600 in profit with a tax penalty::A new rule from the IRS is punishing those who resold tickets for more than $600 in profit with a tax penalty.
Somehow I doubt this will affect Ticketmaster, the biggest scalper of all
er, by default any profit is taxable for them while as a lemming you get a tax free $600 profit before it impacts you
but fuck ticketmaster anyway
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I don’t understand what your point is. Of course this doesn’t impact Ticketmaster. They already pay taxes on income generated from selling tickets, so nothing changes. I can’t tell if you’re just saying dumb shit to get upvotes from other idiots or truly don’t have a clue.
Fuck scalpers
But fuck fixing taxes to make billionaires and churches pay taxes… eat the people as they say.
If you resell tickets for 600$ in profit, you’re not “the people”, you’re a scalper and I have no sympathy for you. This is a good rule.
That’s just capitalists capitalizing. The IRS just wants a cut, not to stop it.
Agreed. Obviously, the tax code should be better enforced against wealthy people, but you can support one action without it meaning you don’t support another.
And as long as they ACTUALLY do both, then it doesn’t matter.
But they don’t.
So it does.
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On the other hand, if it’s worth your time to scalp tickets then you aren’t part of the upper class.
Edit: but I do agree, fuck scalpers
I’m not well-versed on the subject, but is ticket scalping not a large-scale business at this point? Like, yeah individual ticket holders can be opportunistic, but don’t bots buy tickets by the thousands as soon as they go on sale?
Most of those “businesses” are run by just one person, or maybe a few friends. And how much money do you really think they could be making?
With that logic, we can say scalpers are class traitors, then!
For real, most of the comments are about the scalpers but this is the only thing that stood out to me. The IRS has consistently shown they would rather net the little fish that can’t fight back than take down the whales. Another example of being beyond the law in this country if you have money.
It’s super easy to implement, comply, and enforce this. Like almost automated levels of easy. It’s significantly more complex and requires tons of resources and expertise to go after the whales as you say. Resources they just don’t have. Resources that might be wasted if/when it turns out the taxpayer is fully compliant within reason.
It’s not about double standards, it’s purely logistics and resources - at least on the IRS side. Congress is responsible for their funding, or lack thereof, and it doesn’t take long to figure out who’s responsible for the lack of it. So I’d encourage you to focus your ire on the response political party, not the IRS itself.
Passing the buck in my opinion.
If you want to talk about political parties, each enable each other with their disgusting symbiotic relationship. The Democrats are just as responsible for being ineffectual and allowing the Republicans to enact their policies. They are responsible for losing to Trump in 2016. They are responsible for perpetually playing victim and pandering to voters like you, who are happy to be upset at just one side of the aisle, so they never have to actually be progressive or make any real changes that would upset their donors. It might feel good for you to vote for the lesser evil, but it does nothing; as evidenced by the last two decades. If voting actually changed anything, they would make it illegal.
Right, well, anyway, the IRS budget just got a huge increase under the Biden administration new budget. They’re finally hiring a ton of new agents and updating their ancient tech etc. The R party fought tooth and nail against this and there’s an active smear campaign to make the average person afraid they’re coming after you. R’s managed to reduce the budget increase which is going to reduce the IRS ability to go after the whales, as you were griping about in your original post.
I don’t see any evidence that they would target the whales given proper funding. Your argument hinges on that and it has no basis as far as I’ve seen.
The complex structures and tax issues present in large partnerships require a focused approach to best identify the highest risk issues and apply resources accordingly. In 2021, the IRS launched the first stage of its Large Partnership Compliance (LPC) program with examinations of some of the largest and most complex partnership returns in the filing population. The IRS is now expanding the LPC program to additional large partnerships…By the end of the month, the IRS will open examinations of 75 of the largest partnerships in the U.S. that represent a cross section of industries including hedge funds, real estate investment partnerships, publicly traded partnerships, large law firms and other industries. On average, these partnerships each have more than $10 billion in assets.
Believe me when I tell you a partnership with $10b assets is insane. Auditing that is extremely labor intensive and requires a ton of highly specialized skills and that all requires resources.
There’s really nothing left to argue here so please just take this at face value and move on.
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Yeah, it’s cheaper than the big fish and the GOP has continuously underfunded the IRS. Their whole 2024 strategy is to make it look like the extra IRS agents from the Inflation Reduction Act are going after small folks instead of the big fish. Without those agents, lawyers, and staff the rich will always win with bigger guns.
Is it actually cheaper than the big fish though? You could have four people devote a full year to a single multi millionaire and you’d probably still net more than their annual pay. Hell even if you just matched it it’d be worth.
It is much cheaper. IIRC, the IRS went after Microsoft because they “sold” the Windows IP rights to a small CD/DVD printing factory in Mexico that MS used to print some installation discs, saving an absurd amount of money in taxes due to avoiding US taxes on the IP.
The IRS spent millions of dollars attempting to get MS to pay up. MS damaged the careers of the people in the government that gave the IRS the resources to go after MS, and cost the IRS an outrageous sum in legal fees.
Craziest part of it all: MS managed to get the laws the IRS was going after them on changed. Through political donations and lobbying, MS spent considerably more than the IRS was going after them for, to ensure the law was changed in MS’s favor.
I’m probably getting a lot of details wrong but there are news articles about it you can look up. The IRS hasn’t been given the resources to attempt any common sense obvious big wins since.
All that happened here is they lowered the reporting threshold to cast a wider net and force people to reported income they otherwise could have just not mentioned. It’s not quite like flipping a switch but it’s relatively easy to comply with, and relatively easy to enforce. “Fixing taxes” is significantly more complicated, to say the least.
Whataboutism
The IRS doesn’t care if you do crime or are exploitative or are morally bad
They just want their cut
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The IRS will report a crime if they suspect one, but they don’t make the laws. You’re barking off the wrong tree if you think they should be the moral authority.
You’re saying that if they suspect someone of profiting off of let’s say, human trafficking, they’d just ask for the taxes and not report the violation?
No, its still a crime to do a crime, but if you profit from your crime and dont report it, its now a double crime! All sarcasm asside, this is what the feds used to nab Al Capone. It also makes it easier for the feds to seize things that may or should have been owed. Remember, even the Joker pays his taxes.
Human trafficking is profoundly illegal, whereas scalping is not (in most states (all but 16)) so this makes your comment pretty silly. Not to mention the massive gap in how bad those two things are…
Human trafficking is most definitely “a crime” which is what some people think the IRS doesn’t care about.
Yes I did say it’s a crime… it is profoundly illegal… my exact words. According to the law, scalping is only “a crime” in 16 states. People can think whatever they want, I think it’s stupid and should be illegal worldwide, but that doesn’t matter. Gotta put your feelings aside when dealing with things like this, and jumping to extremes like you did is irrational and silly.
people who resold tickets bad, ticketmaster who fixes prices good! win-win situation ?
Law enforcement exists to protect the status quo. Corporation profit good. Individual profit bad.
let’s make the threshold $60 instead of $600
I have to report a $1 profit if that’s what I got from selling market shares. $60 is way too generous.
I understand wanting to go after scalpers, but the $600 limit isn’t specifically for ticket reselling websites - it includes transactions not categorized under “Friends and Family” on places like PayPal as well.
I use various cashback websites who pay out via PayPal and I’m starting to get close to the limit. As soon as I cross it, I either have to give PayPal my SSN or have 24% withheld by the IRS.
If a friend accidentally sends me money via “Goods and Services” instead of “Friends and Family” on PayPal and puts me over the threshold, I’m the one in trouble.
Scalpers are predators, and captive markets like Ticketmaster give them a hunting ground.
By design. If it weren’t easy for scalpers and bots to scoop tickets in the first seconds they’re on sale, tours and venues wouldn’t be assured their sales are met. Then bot resellers start the actual sale, where the scalpers come in…you, the attendee likely getting sloppy 4ths.
I mean, technically there’s no new tax or anything here, they’re just forcing companies to report the income so people can’t get away with not paying their taxes on the profit. Now if only they’d enforce the tax laws on rich people, they’d easily make way more than this whole scheme will make by targeting a single billionaire.
Punishment? Huh, didn’t know the tax man doesn’t want me to make money.
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No they won’t unless you were selling in bulk.
Fuck scalpers, but I refuse to look at the $600 tax rule as anything other than a way for the government to squeeze money from and spy more on the common people.
Edit: to clarify I’m not rooting for the scalpers, I just don’t want this governmental overreach to be put in a positive light just because its also affecting people we rightfully hate.
For those that don’t know. The $600 tax rule is a requirement that Zelle, Venmo, etc must report transactions over $600 to the government so they can be taxed. Get a $600 graduation gift from grandma? Taxed. Get $1000 from your roommates to pay rent? You now have to document and show that so its not taxed. Sell a bike (that you ALREADY paid sales tax on using money you ALREADY paid income tax on) for $800, would you look at that its going on the tax form.
Why? Isn’t the person selling the tickets for a $600 profit there one squeezing money from the common people?
If corporations paid the way they should the country would be in a lot less money issues than it is.
Here in the UK it’s often talked about and people get angry about Bob the builder doing cash only work and not paying his taxes. Just another plan from the government and media to cause in fighting rather than look at the real issue, big corps.
But also fuck scalpers so I’m torn.
Yes? I’m against both of the parties in my comment. Maybe I made it sound like I’m in the scalpers side with my tax complaints, I’m not. I just don’t want this government overreach to be placed in a positive light just because its also affecting people we hate.
Yeah I agree - as a small time gigging musician, fuck scalpers and also fuck government overreach here. Anything that hurts scalpers (in all fields, but tickets especially) is interesting to me and the average concert goer, but if it comes at the cost of broadly limiting the used music gear market, among thousands of other used equipment communities, it’s misdirected legislature at best.
The companies and systems that enable scalping and customer extortion such as Live Nation absolutely need to be limited and restricted, but setting a broad limit across all secondhand sales at $600 when it was previously $20,000 is an inaccurate miscorrection. More informed and nuanced legislature is necessary
To add a bit more context to this for the unaware: LiveNation is the umbrella Corp that owns TicketMaster as well as over 70% (IIRC) of the live music industry in the U.S. They’re making a killing on tickets, alcohol sales, backend software licensing, and many different artist/event management firms. They also pay their employees the lowest wages relative to the rest of the live music industry, which was already a vastly underpaid industry before Live Nation came to power in the 2010’s. Further, the CEO’s salary increased by 1000% between 2019 and 2023 while the peasants got a meaningless raise from pre-inflation starvation wages to post-inflation starvation wages. They’re the epitome of an exploitative monopoly, at every level.
Source: Current part time employee of LiveNation and 14 year veteran of the live music industry.
A list of their subsidiaries: https://investors.livenationentertainment.com/sec-filings/annual-reports/content/0001193125-08-043193/dex211.htm?TB_iframe=true&height=auto&width=auto&preload=false
It’s not just transactions. $600 is the lower limit on taxable income. I used to do food delivery and if you make under $600 for the year it’s not reported and not taxable. You’re supposed to report any income over $600.
Already paid tax thing is not applicable, it’s literally how taxation works. The government gets their share at each point. Everytime a taxable good changes hands, with exception, the tax is applied again.
I know that’s how it works. I’m complaining because the way it works is bullshit.
Well taxation is completely necessary unless you have a steady stream of cash flowing into the government from another source, which almost no country has and no country will have indefinitely.
We can argue about rates and cut offs but taxation in general is not a bad system
Never said it was a bad system in general. But as a normal citizen not engaging in business I think paying taxes possibly 4 times (federal income tax, state income tax, sales tax when first bought new, sales tax when sold as used) on the same item is wrong.
You should not be paying tax unless you turned a profit on the sale.
You’re right but, If you bought the bike years ago there’s a strong chance you no longer have the receipt/invoice.
