I don’t think anybody thinks that.
In the United States at least, your local government’s public hearings for new housing developments kinda begs to differ.
People will demand the homeless be eliminated from their area while simultaneously opposing development of housing or shelters for the homeless in their area.
So maybe you’re right though: they don’t hate the apartments more, they simply can’t make up their mind on which they hate more.
I think it’s more so that people don’t want an apartment complex built in their backyard, not that they are opposed to them being built in an area where there is proper infrastructure
NIMBY!!
Where do you place the proper infrastructure then? It’s always going to be in someone’s “back yard” as you put it.
Well there’s considerable difference between an apartment complex in a suburb not designed for heavy traffic and less developed areas where there’s room for expansion for infrastructure.
We can’t expand roads in my area, either for an extra lane (which I know is a sin) or for buses because it would be right up on houses at that point.
However, just a few miles down the road on the main drag, there’s undeveloped land that would be perfect. Build it there.
When I say “backyard” I mean literally in your backyard. Instead of name calling and downvoting, have a fucking conversation and ask in a respectful manner what somebody means. Stop being a douche because you automatically assume somebody who thinks slightly differently than you is wrong.
lmao make up your mind
do you want to have a conversation without name calling? Then leave out the name calling or kindly get fucked
Yeah, “in stead of name calling, stop being a douche” is not the MOST consistent argument ever 😂
Tired of being nice. I do it all the time and it’s never returned in kind.
Lemmy users act like this is a different place, that it’s a more wholesome internet, what a joke. It’s as bad as anywhere else.
I wasn’t being mean spirited with my original comment, it was a legitimate question. Whenever I hear people say something like “I don’t want that!” I like to find out why. It’s just curiosity. Sorry if it came across mean.
We’re not building homes, we’re not focussing on density. But apparently our elected officials have no problem letting people set up shanty towns. Where do you think the priorities lay?
What do you mean we’re not building homes? I have plenty of homes and apartments being built in my city that cater to lots of strata of incomes.
Sure they do. Look at all of the posts from my neighbors on Facebook and Nextdoor every time a developer tries to build an apartment building instead of a single family home in our neighborhood.
The world will never recover until poverty is seen not as a character flaw, but as a failure of society itself to provide for the most vulnerable.
They wouldn’t be vulnerable if they just overcame their own biology and lifetime of trauma. Its that simple, they arent trying hard enough.
Also historical and/or generational poverty.
I’d file that under trauma. If there was no trauma caused by extreme poverty like; parent was a sexworker; watching a parent lose it all; emotional neglect; physical neglect; history of incarceration; generational drug abuse, it would be more unlikely they would succumb to homelessness. That said, you are right.
Generational poverty is also historically about racism. Now, that’s changing but it’s changing more because it’s just getting harder to get out of poverty than it is because there’s less racism…
I do not disagree.
What do you mean by “overcame their own biology”?
I think he’s trying to make a joke by appealing to the absurdity, like pulling yourself up by the boot straps. Literally impossible.
Though Poe’s Law and general stupidity are up lately, so…
They’re being satirical. They’re saying it’s virtually impossible to not succumb to poverty if you have disabilities, trauma, or racial prejudice working against you.
The simple fact of the matter is that most things most people do are simply input -> biology happens -> output. Breaking that hardwired process that happens in the background for every miniscule decision you make is the basis of like, every kind of therapy, self-help, meditation routine, etc.
I get your point, and while there is certainly a subset of people who are suffering through no fault of their own, there are plenty of people who are lazy and/or made terrible decisions. Lumping them all together like you are doesn’t help the situation. Those who want help should absolutely be helped. Those who don’t should not be allowed to ruin it for the rest of us.
No one is on the street because they are lazy. That is ignorance.
Also, what exactly are they ruining for the rest of us? What upward mobility are they keeping me from? Are you suggesting someone living in a tent or shelter ruins your???Propery value? Urban view? Existence?
Sounds like to me there is a certain pettiness you hold on to and letting that go means you actually have to accept the humanity of people less fortunate than yourself. That also sounds like an illness you should rid yourself of because it’s rottng away at you.
No one chooses consciousness. We are all coming in from the cold. We have this one chance to peer into the nature of the universe. Except, some are more concerned with the length of small little plants out in front of their house.
No one is on the street because they are lazy. What an entirely ignorant and stupid comment. Come to the West coast idiot. I can show you plenty of people that are lazy ass mother fuckers among the homeless. Not all, but enough.
No lazy person wants to be homeless. The amount of stress and anxiety cause by being homeless would crush you. To be lazy a person needs shelter, food and clean water, clean cloths, and good health. Homelessness is about survival.
You’re always going to have someone looking to gain from the system. The thing is, I don’t care. Most people want a sense of fulfillment more than they want anything else, and that usually comes from being productive. Not always in the “get a job, earn money” way, but in the “I’m going to create, in a way that makes me happy” sense. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, even finding that thing that fulfillment is such an upward battle because it requires a ton of resources. Time, energy, money. Things the destitute don’t have. Let the few be lazy, fuck it you’ll never get rid of lazy from society, stop trying, it’s just hurting the regular man. Focus on bringing the bottom up, and the whole of society benefits.
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There are also those who make bad decisions and are lazy but have a lot of money and power regardless. Being lazy/making terrible decisions does not equal poor; same as being hard working/making good decisions.
The system at this stage is just geared towards making the poor poorer and the rich richer. E.g. making people pay lots of money to stay healthy rather than give people equal opportunity, making good education only accessible to the rich by making it prohibitively expensive, the wage divide between an employee and a CEO, family trusts and associated taxes etc.
I’d guess absolutely every person in a shit situation wants help. No one WANTS to be homeless, destitute, and addicted. The problem is, that for a lot of the worst off people in the world, that’s pretty much all they have. Sometimes, the only source of any light in someone’s life is a chemically induced high. Who am I to tell someone in that situation that they can’t do one of the few things that makes life kind of ok?
This kind of thing is a failing of society, not the person, no matter how deep you drill. Each and every one of the people in this shit needs help, not judgement, not to get clean, not to make money. Start with providing actual help, a home, food, mental and physical healthcare. It doesn’t have to be luxurious,just safe.The rest will follow naturally.
We all have our limits. Some people seem to be tougher than others. There are things people go through that I would last maybe two weeks before killing myself. When analyzing these situations it’s hard to balance compassion and being reasonably critical.
You’re going to get downvoted into oblivion for speaking the truth. Lemmy is full or libritards who are just as bad as the far right nutjobs. Both don’t live in reality.
What is your reality that is so much more salient and rational?
That’s the ticket. The most hardworking people I’ve ever met are also some of the poorest.
The USSR didn’t do much good but those apartment buildings are definitely good. I used to live in a soviet apartment building and the funny thing about that was that every wall was a load bearing wall since all of them could hold up everything. They were thick as hell and fully concrete.
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that every wall was a load bearing wall since all of them could hold up everything.
It seems you lived in panel building. There are limitations to it like you should not add horisontal chases becaue it reduces load capacity or can’t replan appartment because it will be destruction of load bearong wall. So wiring better be done in factory-made in-wall concrete tubes.
I don’t think: “ah, buildings again. I’d rather live in camps featuring trash scent.”
The communist housing blocks are also not super high on my list of “why I don’t want to live in a communist dictatorship”
Don’t worry, they’ve outlawed homelessness. Problem solved!
Literally though. And there’s a whole practice of hostile architecture that makes it harder and more uncomfortable to be homeless.
Make it unconstitutional for a municipality to let anyone go unhoused? Based, love it.
This is kinda like saying we need more farms to solve hunger.
The cost of housing is very detached from supply. For rentals, companies bought up housing and just jacked up the price, because renters are a semi captive client base.
New construction sometimes doesn’t even help, when developers knocks down an old affordable 12 unit apartment building and build a luxury 36 unit building, you’ve created -12 units of affordable housing.
Even for home buyers, they’re facing a major up hill battle going against existing home owners who have access to the capital of their current homes, and even worse corporate home buyers.
This isn’t to say supply isn’t an issue and we can ignore it, but we need to stop housing from just being an investment vehicle. Otherwise we’re just going to get garbage housing at prices no one can afford.
it’s not detached from supply at all, single house zoning and mandatory minimum parking make for a whole lot of trouble in the US
Again I’m not saying supply isn’t an issue, and zoning is def a major problem in many states. But if the issue was only supply, rent would be growing more or less in line with the population not at the astronomical rate that it is.
yeah but due to immigration the population is growing in the USA, AFAIK, also you need to account for the trend of Urbanization (somewhat offset by move to WFH)
When Vanguard and Blackrock own half of the supply, then it’s not a free market. Also, you said it’s not detached from supply at all, but then proceeded to list reasons detached from supply that affect cost.
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Yeah, but I didn’t have to pay anything for those people to live in tents. I keep my money out of their lazy hands.
/s, deeply, if it isn’t obv.
Capitalism has you thinking that these are our only options
For big cities, density is key.
Moscow, built mostly 9-story housing, not more than 16-story in the end of USSR. Density is not height.
The other options are, sadly, hours away.
What is this trying to say???
That low income housing is good but people like when homeless people suffer.
Or that people living in block housing is preferable to some living in suburbs and some being homeless.
I think it’s a confused message. Not the best meme.
But the basic idea is that homelessness is caused by people preferring houses (“urban sprawl”) rather than apartment complexes.
This makes the most sense to me so far
seems like it’s trying to imply that homeless people are homeless because houses are too expensive.
as if the guys in the bottom pic could afford a department in the top picture, but have to live in a tent because housing is expensive.
I think what the meme does say is that OP is mentally 12.
Not sure why or from where this quote comes from. In germany and poland we have many such apartment houses that are very affordable
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What are you talking about dude? Those are homes with doors, locks, heat, and a bed. Compared to a tent?
Right, well even though San Diego might have state park beach front property, we shouldn’t have a tent city filling it up. This quickly becomes unhygienic, and crime rises, among other issues.
Yes, you should have a tent city filling up. San Diego is just like every other city in North America. We’re seeing the endgame of late stage capitalism. Rampant homelessness, at the risk of being redundant, is a feature of capitalism, not a bug. There is only so much money in circulation and most working class people have none of it.
I really like russian appartement complexs, there is always green surrounding the buildings…I hate russia though
I’m from eastern Europe and those green spaces are usually not very well managed. And they also end up looking kinda sad when you live there.
Rusty playgrounds, plants not managed and growing all over the place in a not very aesthetically pleasing way, completely destroyed or very quickly patched up walkways.
I do think it’s still better than the American suburbs, but it could be so so much better if cities invested more into making these areas enjoyable to be in.
I do think it’s still better than the American suburbs, but it could be so so much better if cities invested more into making these areas enjoyable to be in.
Agreed. If anything is mismanaged it will be shitty, if something was mismanaged for 30 years and did not fall on itself, then it was built good.
I hate russia though
You probably hate Putin instead.
To be fair new social housing looks like this:
Not enough trees and first batch was mostly single-room(as in one bedroom, one kitchen, one toilet and one bathroom in appartment), but better than humant colony.
The murals are a nice touch, let’s see how the white paint looks in 50 years though.
As in 50 years or 50 years without any maintanance and in complete neglect.
Is this really even a meme? Just seems like some random slice of depression.
