I think most Dems, especially those who are highly politically engaged and closely follow election news, are going to vote blue no matter who. So, I think Bernie is preaching to the choir here. I think the Dems who are worried about Biden are worried he doesn’t have enough support among independents, and they feel independents are much less likely to just vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is.
Now, could just any candidate replace Biden and automatically win back any of the independents he is believed to have lost? I don’t know. A lot of Dems seem to think that just about any other candidate would do better than Biden among independents right now, but I’m not so sure.
Remember, Bernie Sanders did FORTY TWO events for Hillary after she was the chosen Dem candidate. More events than even she did for her own campaign!
Then she had this to say about Bernie in her Hulu doc: https://x.com/bobby/status/1236349383890931713
Hillary, much like Trump, is a symptom of what is wrong with the Democrats. “It was her turn” spat in the face of people who were excited about a progressive candidate and made the whole primary a sham.
She was a terrible candidate. She was a bitter pill that many independents said “enough is enough” and voted third party or not voted at all.
I am deeply concerned that as the Republicans move more toward fascism, the left are not going to have great candidates. We’re going to get established, wealthy-class friendly candidates who are willing to throw crumbs at the working class. They’ll bitch and moan about how they are losing voters, never looking at themselves, never realizing that we are literally voting to just survive.
This election will be just like 2020. We aren’t voting for Biden. We’re voting against fascism.
And I’m personally getting fucking tired of Democrats seeing that as a win.
What an ungrateful cunt. I don’t want to be in hell with that removed.
I don’t want to be in hell with that removed.
Dying to know which word got removed when “cunt” was perfectly acceptable.
B I T C H but even then I could be referencing a female dog.
So, we’re allowed to say cunt but not The B Word™️?
That appears to be the case
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Lmao…I guess lemmy.ml didn’t want to be unfair to Australians!
Progressives need to learn this lesson: liberals will always shift the blame.
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Oh, now I understand. She’s like, a real housewife of DC.
Hillary “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman” Clinton. Yeah. Keep on satisfying those poor, misguided progressives.
I think the other concern is voter turnout/enthusiasm. The last presidential election had extremely high turnout. Even if voters (in swing states) don’t switch candidates but opt to stay home instead that could translate into a significant electoral problem too.
You do have a point that turn out Is important, but a potential replacement candidate isn’t guaranteed to increase turn out, they could be worse. And they would only have 4 months to try to fix things, which isn’t a lot of time.
Wishful thinking from Bernie. For fucks sake:
politics is showmanship, not an intellectual endeavor.
I fucking hate that, but it is the immutable truth.
You NEED a charismatic leader to win. Biden needs to fuck off.
I will ALWAYS cast my vote to most effectively suppress the republican traitor filth. But Biden’s a goner.
Exactly. I cannot fucking believe he can say with a straight face that it’s not an entertainment contest. It’s the biggest American Idol contest there is and sure as shit isn’t a job interview.
It seems like the establishment is hell bent on making the choice Biden or Harris and Harris might be the only person less likely to win.
I will ALWAYS cast my vote to most effectively suppress the republican traitor filth. But Biden’s a goner.
If by goner, you mean you’re not voting for him- then this is contradictory.
I will vote D no matter what.
That’s good to see. Thank you! Hopefully we can have some good things happen by next election and get someone better by then.
Incorrect.
You are the reason conservatives win elections, because you tell Democrats not to vote for Gore because he’s boring or Hillary because she’s ill, or Biden because he’s old.
None of these irrelevant insults are stopping these people from doing their job.
Fuck off. I voted Gore and Hillary. You’re not helping the situation by burying your head in the sand.
Don’t worry. They’re obviously gaslighting you. You undermined their entire argument and yet, they persist. How odd.
It’s what they do.
Loudly proclaiming a specific, unpopular fact is the opposite of burying my head in the sand.
You’re upset because you’ve been called out for burying your head in the sand.
The bandwagon is easy and comfortable and wrong here.
Bernie is right.
Or stop bickering and replace him ASAP.
But really, I don’t think this is bickering. I think it’s an intentionally slow drip of news to get people more receptive to the idea of replacing him with Kamala, so that it’s not a bomb dropping all of a sudden, which would likely freak out a bunch of voters and cause them to lose votes. Boil the frog slowly and there’s less of a splash.
Well honestly it’s going to be a splash either way and the sooner they replace him, the better. Kamala is going to need more time to cook with and the sooner she can get out there, the sooner she can challenge Trump to a debate and flip this country around.
I think this is the exact idea that Bernie is warning against.
Drumpf is a living survivor martyr. Nothing is now gonna hold anything back. Every thing is now going to hit the fan.
Rare case of disagreeing with you, Bernie.
I have an unpopular opinion. Swapping candidates a couple months from election will look really disorganized and even weaker than keeping him. Especially to swing voters. And it’ll be rushed. I doubt the replacement will be well known, so you expect me to get to know, learn who they are and develop a platform in a couple months? I think they’d lose too.
It’s too late. The spineless centrists controlling the party waffled too long and I bet they cost the election again. Just like in 2016. I’m really disappointed in the Democratic Party and how it’s condensed it’s power more towards the top and quite frankly, am tired of their muted response to things like project 2025 until months before the election. It’s been around since. Before trump was elected, but without a catchy name. I passed around the leaked documents on it in 2017.
I’m just reminded of ‘Baby I’m an Anarchist’ by Against me! Lately. I’m not an Anarchist, but I feel the lyrics about the my fellow spineless liberals
Swapping candidates would look really, really bad… unless he comes up and says “I had a talk with my doctor, he says I’ve developed a chronic condition that I didn’t know about past year. I can’t do it anymore, but here, vote for my VP, who you all already voted for once anyway, and would take over anyway if this thing kills me”.
He can leave out that the chronic condition is just notgonnawinatall, and his doctor is also his pollster.
I think that’s why they’re floating it now. They’re getting people primed to accept someone as the replacement that they already recognize. (My money is on Kamala Harris.)
Other countries have their entire election cycles in a few months. It’s a joke to think it’s too late for Biden to drop out.
He understands the two party system we’re left with. If we don’t back the democratic candidate we will be fucked by the 30% of the population that wants Cheeto Messiah in the white house.
Yep. But let’s explore this further under the hood.
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Nobody of the progressive caucus can break ranks lest that be used against the party as a wedge-drive issue by operatives later, whether Biden stays in or not.
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Bernie was essentially promised a high level committee position if he traded falling in line with Biden. This his returning of the favor.
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Calls for Biden to step down will be completely ineffective from the progressive coalition anyway. Biden is a centrist and doesn’t hold much respect for them. The people who matter are the likes of Clyburn and Pelosi.
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A thought I haven’t seen offered much, but could give Biden an ego-soothing role instead of being put out to political pasture - a Harris:Biden ticket.
She gets to be the energetic go-getter at the front (that the Maga hate-oil salesmen are shrieking about atm) while Biden can play the ‘elder statesman’ role of advice and experience to Kamala instead of running himself. You defuse a lot of the competency/decline arguments against Biden, and gird against one of Harris’s biggest threats - her lack of international experience.
Kamala is not a political unknown, but Biden is losing/equal right now to Trump with the DNC money & publicity machine working for him the last eight years. I’d argue Harris has a better shot if those efforts are swung her way. I don’t like Harris, but needn’t convince me to vote team blue - it’s the ~9% undecided we need to convince.
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What happened to letting the voters decide?
“Everyone needs to get out and vote!”
voters start bickering over who to vote for
“NOT LIKE THAT!”
If the man is too old, OK, but we all knew his age a year ago.
Which is why its crazy he didn’t have any kind of primary contender. Hell, its crazy he didn’t just wrap this at one term and pass the torch to any of a number of popular and highly competent governors.
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Right his whole life, correct here too.
He also told supporters to vote for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. But… he does tell voters to make up their own decision
I agree with all three sentiments.
And he was right both times.
Fucking thank you, Bernie. Glad someone with a spine said it.
Kamala - Bernie. Let it happen you fucks!
No, biden then bernie. Its the only way bernie would be president
The opinion piece: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/opinion/joe-biden-president.html
Yesss, that’s satisfying.
Satisfying to hear Democrats throw yet again another election?
Not a big history guy, are you?
It’s nice to see the majority of the democrats are reasonable people and will continue backing Biden.
tbh, I don’t think reasonable people would think an 80yr old is the best fit to run a country. Edit: Especially after publicly shitting the bed on multiple occasions
Isn’t he 81?
Idk it just looks like one candle at this point
Jeez, I’ve had smaller bonfires.
Yes, he’s 81. He’ll be 82 November 20th. 86 at the end of his second term if he’s re-elected.
When he’s re-elected.
It’s looking a little scary chief…
But a 78 year old is?
That’s not the question at hand. Trump should die in a fire, but that’s not what this is about.
That is what this is about. Because if everyone that is wanting people to not vote for the 81 year old get their way- then we’re getting the 78 year old.
THESE ARE OUR CHOICES. it’s too late in the game to call an audible.
No, it’s not too late. Biden is not even officially the democratic nominee yet, the convention hasn’t even happened yet. The rest of the world has an entire election cycle that lasts like two months. The election is still almost four months away.
Haha, no. Many other problems with that cesspool.
Does Bernie want to lose?
All the socialist’s heads just exploded.
No, we left this lib behind a long time ago.
We’re all China-stans now.
Aaaaaand that’s why no one takes your seriously.
Oh no, libs don’t take me seriously! 😭
Ahhh yes. This reminds me SO much of my edgy high school years. It was our little grassroots movement vs the world! And we had EVERYTHING figured out. No one could tell us that we’re wrong in any way and we had Pat Benetar to back that up!
We knew it all!
Then we grew up and realized we didn’t know shit. We found out that the world doesn’t work the way we want it to and it never will, because we aren’t the only ones that live here. Looking back, it was incredibly stupid and naive to think that life in politics were that simple.
“Just do this thing we want! It’s that easy!”
and…
“We reject your reality and replaced it with our own!”
The problem is: the rest of the world didn’t work with the reality we created for ourselves.
Man… I miss those days, but living in reality has its merits as well. One of them is being taken seriously by people regardless of whether or not I share a core political values.
I hope you get the same chances I did. But times are VERY different. You may not be afforded the luxury to have the freedoms I had come January.
Now, go on- say something edgy so everyone knows you didn’t just get wrecked.
What the fuck are you talking about? I’m siding with China. You know, the worlds second largest economy? A billion people?
Hardly a little grassroots movement. I live in the reality where China is the only serious challenge to the US. What about you?
So… you’re a non-Chinese citizen- … siding with China. That’s about as grass roots as it gets.
Do you think zero people outside of China look up to their accomplishments?
The US might be a capitalist, colonialist country sprinkled with panderings of faux-socialism and heading towards fascism, but I would hardly call that an improvement over another capitalist-in-all-but-name, fascist, colonialist country with eroded communist foundations.
Whatever atrocities you believe the US is committing in terms of subjugating and exploiting poorer countries and its own working class, China is doing the same thing but only with a bit more subtlety.
When was the last time China invaded an oil-rich country, overthrew their government, and killed a million people?
If you want to dream up Chinese imperialism whenever China builds roads in another country, you still have to grapple with the fact that they don’t build those roads on the graves of martyrs that died trying to defend their homeland.
Considering China is allied with Russia and buys nearly half of their crude oil exports, they haven’t needed to invade other countries for oil. I’ll give you that, but at the same time, they’re also indirectly assisting and allied with a country that is happily trying to extinguish the entirety of Ukraine.
Roads and ports. With abusive conditions that all but make it impossible for the poorer countries to satisfy their terms, ultimately leading to China being free to claim the infrastructure they built on foreign soil as their own. They might not be as obvious about it as the United States, but they are still a captialist, colonialist country antithetical to communist goals.
Every global superpower does their fair share of this shit. The countries we should actually be looking up to are the socialist/communist ones that rapidly accelerated their growth and citizens’ quality of life before being destabilized by an existing global superpower (usually, the United States).
they’re also indirectly assisting and allied with a country that is happily trying to extinguish the entirety of Ukraine.
Hyperbole does not help your case.
A war to extinguish a nation looks more like what Israel is doing in Gaza. Compare the number of children, medical staff, UN aid workers, and other noncombatants that have been murdered. Compare the total eradication of all homes, businesses, universities, hospitals, religious institutions, historic sites. Russia, by contrast, is waging a war of conquest and assimilation.
All China is doing is trading with them, and not even trading weapons or munitions! It’s just normal commerce. Let’s compare again with Israel and how the US is providing it unlimited bombs and heavy equipment and fucking jets it needs to do its genocide.
When you compare the two the stark contrast makes your hyperbolic claims into a joke.
With abusive conditions that all but make it impossible for the poorer countries to satisfy their terms,
They forgive the loans they give to those poorer countries when they can’t repay and are always willing to refinance.
Compare that to the IMF which sells off public assets to private interests and imposes austerity measures onto the people, letting the US infiltrate the government and set up counter-terror operations and win exclusive trade deals to superexploit the people.
Again, compare and contrast. The US isn’t merely worse, it has different objectives. One is imperialist, one is internationalist.
Every global superpower does their fair share of this shit. The countries we should actually be looking up to are the socialist/communist ones that rapidly accelerated their growth and citizens’ quality of life before being destabilized by an existing global superpower (namely, the United States).
This is why China is the way it is. China has to ally itself with Russia and it has to wield state capitalism, or else it would end up the same as every other socialist experiment the US destroyed. If China cut off every country that US says is evil then it will lose all its allies, and then the US will just turn around and declare that the world needs to stop doing business with China.
Instead, China saw right through that, and with BRICs the dedollerization of the global economy is inevitable. The Communist Party of China has done more to destroy US imperialism than any communist party in every other country combined.
Grow up.
