Kyle Rittenhouse’s sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her “brother’s unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family.”

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    Huh. Have any of them considered a job? If the mom was capable of driving her child to another state to murder some people, I bet she could drive for uber or something. Or be a getaway driver for other criminals, idk.

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      There’s a certain type of person who thinks work is beneath them. That’s who the Rittenhouse family is.

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        …what? What are you basing this on?

        When the children were small, Wendy and Mike worked various jobs, including machine operator, housekeeper, and cashier.

        Wendy had become a certified nursing assistant, but she continued to struggle financially. The family was repeatedly evicted.

        In 2018, shortly after another eviction, Wendy filed for bankruptcy. She developed a gastrointestinal bleed that required hospitalization, and Faith was also hospitalized, after an attempted overdose involving over-the-counter painkillers

        https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/05/kyle-rittenhouse-american-vigilante

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          Gotta love a conservative family that votes to undermine all the social services they’d need in situations like this. But they seem to be able to afford guns…

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          A CNA does not earn money, it’s pretty much a minimum wage job. This person did not have the necessary intelligence or drive to attain their bachelors and become a full nurse–it’s as simple as that.

          My sister in law, bless her, is really one of the angriest persons you will ever meet. She hates everything out there and the world is bad, blah blah blah. I asked her why she became a phlebotomist. She told me she wanted to be a nurse but could not pass English 101. Seriously.

          Kyle’s mom? She’s the same.

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            I hate to defend Kyle’s mom, but man, shouldn’t a CNA or a phlebotomist be able to afford to survive in the area they work? In their case, I guess you reap what you sow.

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              Yea being a cna is tough and underpaid. My ex is one, takes a couple months of study and passing a test. I, with a highschool degree made 6 dollars more than her when her job was 3 times tougher. It’s criminal. She worked harder and longer hours in a dangerous place with people who could and would harras and harm her. The harrasment was mental, verbal, physical and sexual as well. Fuck boomers.

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                You remember businesses calling everyone who worked a low appreciation job heroes? CNAs got the shittiest end of the stick on that I think.

                Giant banners calling you heroes greet you as you drive on the lot of the nursing home, and you look at them knowing you’re going to get physically shit on by the patients, and proverbially shit on by the higher level nurses, the administration that now works remote, the family of the patients, and of course the patients again as well. For $12/hr. And you’re extra short staffed because anyone that could find travel work did. Brutal shit for them.

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                  Holy hell if you aren’t right. I recall her getting all of those things at her work too and a measly 40 cent raise lul. All those banners and pins and lanyards and little gift bags if tiny hand sanetizers and candy. I think she made like 16 here in cali at the time, I recall hearing there’s a laaw that was gonna be passed or already passed to get them up to like 20 or 21 at the minimum. Crazy to think that’s what mcDonald’s employees earn here now while plenty of cnas in other parts of the state earn less still.

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                  On the Dollop podcast if you’ve ever heard of it, one of the hosts is named Gareth. Gareth points out in an episode that in American culture we only ever call “heroes” the people we deem ‘expendable’. I have been unable to find a counterexample to that claim ever since I heard it.

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              I mean, I’d bet the majority of people on here would say anyone working a legit full time job should be able to afford to survive.

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              It’s no different than public school teachers, I suppose. It’s not a field you get into unless it calls you for some reason–you’re certainly not in it for the money.

              We really need to reprioritize how we fund things around the world.

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      According to the article his sister has been hospitalized and both her and their mother have a hard time getting work because of being associated with Kyle Rittenhouse. BTW the mother did not drive him that’s a fallacy

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        Ok then I retract the part about driving. But I have a hard time feeling sympathy for her being unable to get a job. She’s repeatedly defended him and said she stands by him, and she allowed her 17 year old to buy a gun he couldn’t legally have and to drive without a license. Being associated with him is her doing. I have a family member who was a teenage white supremacist piece of shit (who was thankfully stopped by the FBI before he killed anyone), and you can bet nobody thinks I’m associated with him because I make it very clear where I stand. If I said he was a good person and I’ll always support him, I wouldn’t be shocked if employers said nah.

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          Sure, but she’s also his mother, not a random family member. I’m not going to fault a mother for standing by their child, no matter what he did.

          She didn’t let him buy anything, but she couldn’t make him get rid of it because it wasn’t in her house. It was locked up at a friend’s house in a different town.

          She was also ill, poor, dyslexic, and a single parent dealing with a difficult child. She doesn’t seem to have much in her life but her children, I’m not going to condemn her for not banishing him from her life. It’s not an easy thing for a mother to do.

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            If that’s the case, it’s sad then that he apparently doesn’t seem willing to return the good will and unconditional support, if he’s refusing to help them with rent. Abandoning the one person who would always have your back…

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            I’m not going to fault a mother for standing by their child, no matter what he did.

            You can stand by your child by always having room in your home for them. You can still condemn their action and say they might not know any better or something like that.

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        Yeah absolutely fuck Kyle Rittenhouse but Kyle lied to his mom that night about what he was up to, and the mom clearly had no intention of being a willing accomplice to murder.

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        Fallacy is a fault in logic, not a falsehood.

        Post hoc ergo propter hoc (after it therefore because of it) is a fallacy. Or an appeal to authority is a fallacy.

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      Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Kyle lied to her about everything he was doing that night.

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        He did. The gun was never in her home, she couldn’t do anything about it. It was locked up at his friend’s house because his mother wouldn’t have permitted him to have it.

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          Yeah, but she’s related to him and loves him because he is her son, and we hate him, so obviously she should suffer too. Justice and empathy? Fuck that. We’re outraged and out for some suffering.

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            No, she should have social supports, education, a safety net, retirement and security. The exact things people like her piece of shit brother actively try to deny others all the time. Society tried to help this person.

            Now on an individual level before I would ever help her, I’d want to know if she ever saw a cent of Kyle’s blood money.

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      She didn’t drive him there. It’s been factually proven. Dudes a fucking murderer for sure, but his mom didn’t drive him to kill people. He did that shit on his own.

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      If the mom was capable of driving her child to another state

      She didn’t do that.

      It’s really sad how many people are still so completely ignorant of even the simplest facts of that case. Whatever your ideology declared was the truth, you just swallowed, facts and truth be damned.

      Pitiful.

      P.S. Self-defense isn’t murder.

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        Putting yourself in harms way hardly justifies “self defense”.

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          If a black guy knowingly strolled through a KKK meeting, without saying or doing anything other than walking, and defended himself if one of them attacked him, would you argue he gave up the right to defend himself?

          That’s not how it works, goofball.

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              It was to steelman the other person’s argument, actually. My analogy involved a situation where it was MUCH more clear that the victim was deliberately entering known ‘hostile territory’ (black guy into a KKK meeting), than the Kenosha situation was (fact is, if it wasn’t for Rosenbaum going nuts and starting the domino effect, Rittenhouse would have gone home that day conflict-free–after all, he was there for hours BEFORE Rosenbaum freaked on him, with no incident at all). Race itself is not really a factor–‘person existing in a dangerous place’ is all I’m conveying. I didn’t “bring in race”.

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        It’s amazing how you can convince some people that you aren’t responsible for your actions when you totally were.

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        He showed up to a riot with a gun, he knew what was going to happen. He put himself in a situation where deadly force would just be on be on the line of justifed.

        Duty to retreat includes duty to not show up. It says so much that had the people he murdered not died and instead killed him they would be able to use the same defense he did. We are creating a last man standing justice system.

        A provokes B. They fight. B is murdered. A claims self-defense

        provokes B. They fight. A is murdered. B claims self-defense

        What does it say that the argument works both ways? No other crime operates this way.

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          It says so much that had the people he murdered not died and instead killed him they would be able to use the same defense he did.

          LMAO no they wouldn’t! They chased Rittenhouse down as he fled! No jury on Earth would consider what they did self-defense, you’re completely out of your mind.

          He showed up to a riot with a gun, he knew what was going to happen.

          ‘She was walking around with a skimpy outfit, she knew what was going to happen.’

          Victim blaming. Wisconsin is an open carry state.

          What does it say that the argument works both ways?

          Loaded question; it DOESN’T work both ways, especially not when there is only one aggressor.

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            LMAO no they wouldn’t! They chased Rittenhouse down as he fled! No jury on Earth would consider what they did self-defense, you’re completely out of your mind.

            Personal attacks. And of course they chased down the guy waving a gun around.

            She was walking around with a skimpy outfit, she knew what was going to happen.’

            False analogy. Rape is never justified, stopping a gunman is.

            Wisconsin is an open carry state.

            What might technically be lawful is not always sensible.

            Loaded question; it DOESN’T work both ways, especially not when there is only one aggressor.

            Showing up to a riot with a gun is aggressive by its nature. Just like if I stood with a gun in front of your house at all hours.

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              • He didn’t “wave a gun around”
              • attacking someone unprovoked just because they are armed, especially when legally so, is ALSO never justified
              • existing while armed is not intrinsically aggressive/provocative, no matter how much you insist it is. Rittenhouse did literally nothing that even remotely merited the murder attempted on him thrice that day.
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                I saw the video. He waved a gun around.

                Waving a gun around is always provoking.

                Waving a gun around is intrinsically aggressive and provocative, no matter how much you insist that it isn’t. Rittenhouse did literally everything wrong that merited the disarming attempt on him thrice that day.

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            it should be noted that afaik, nobody has died from BLM protestors so a “fear of dying” in the encounter should indicate a deeply troubled mind. So a competent prosecuter could probably have convinced a jury that Kyle’s fears were largely irrational and could have probably stuck manslaughter charges on him.

            After all, if you start marching around with a gun in front of your neighbor’s house then shoot him when he approaches you yelling to get off his sidewalk or whatever, its a bit insane, if not premeditated.