Kyle Rittenhouse’s sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her “brother’s unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family.”

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    If the mom was capable of driving her child to another state

    She didn’t do that.

    It’s really sad how many people are still so completely ignorant of even the simplest facts of that case. Whatever your ideology declared was the truth, you just swallowed, facts and truth be damned.

    Pitiful.

    P.S. Self-defense isn’t murder.

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      Putting yourself in harms way hardly justifies “self defense”.

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        If a black guy knowingly strolled through a KKK meeting, without saying or doing anything other than walking, and defended himself if one of them attacked him, would you argue he gave up the right to defend himself?

        That’s not how it works, goofball.

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            It was to steelman the other person’s argument, actually. My analogy involved a situation where it was MUCH more clear that the victim was deliberately entering known ‘hostile territory’ (black guy into a KKK meeting), than the Kenosha situation was (fact is, if it wasn’t for Rosenbaum going nuts and starting the domino effect, Rittenhouse would have gone home that day conflict-free–after all, he was there for hours BEFORE Rosenbaum freaked on him, with no incident at all). Race itself is not really a factor–‘person existing in a dangerous place’ is all I’m conveying. I didn’t “bring in race”.

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      It’s amazing how you can convince some people that you aren’t responsible for your actions when you totally were.

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      He showed up to a riot with a gun, he knew what was going to happen. He put himself in a situation where deadly force would just be on be on the line of justifed.

      Duty to retreat includes duty to not show up. It says so much that had the people he murdered not died and instead killed him they would be able to use the same defense he did. We are creating a last man standing justice system.

      A provokes B. They fight. B is murdered. A claims self-defense

      provokes B. They fight. A is murdered. B claims self-defense

      What does it say that the argument works both ways? No other crime operates this way.

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        It says so much that had the people he murdered not died and instead killed him they would be able to use the same defense he did.

        LMAO no they wouldn’t! They chased Rittenhouse down as he fled! No jury on Earth would consider what they did self-defense, you’re completely out of your mind.

        He showed up to a riot with a gun, he knew what was going to happen.

        ‘She was walking around with a skimpy outfit, she knew what was going to happen.’

        Victim blaming. Wisconsin is an open carry state.

        What does it say that the argument works both ways?

        Loaded question; it DOESN’T work both ways, especially not when there is only one aggressor.

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          LMAO no they wouldn’t! They chased Rittenhouse down as he fled! No jury on Earth would consider what they did self-defense, you’re completely out of your mind.

          Personal attacks. And of course they chased down the guy waving a gun around.

          She was walking around with a skimpy outfit, she knew what was going to happen.’

          False analogy. Rape is never justified, stopping a gunman is.

          Wisconsin is an open carry state.

          What might technically be lawful is not always sensible.

          Loaded question; it DOESN’T work both ways, especially not when there is only one aggressor.

          Showing up to a riot with a gun is aggressive by its nature. Just like if I stood with a gun in front of your house at all hours.

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            • He didn’t “wave a gun around”
            • attacking someone unprovoked just because they are armed, especially when legally so, is ALSO never justified
            • existing while armed is not intrinsically aggressive/provocative, no matter how much you insist it is. Rittenhouse did literally nothing that even remotely merited the murder attempted on him thrice that day.
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              I saw the video. He waved a gun around.

              Waving a gun around is always provoking.

              Waving a gun around is intrinsically aggressive and provocative, no matter how much you insist that it isn’t. Rittenhouse did literally everything wrong that merited the disarming attempt on him thrice that day.

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          it should be noted that afaik, nobody has died from BLM protestors so a “fear of dying” in the encounter should indicate a deeply troubled mind. So a competent prosecuter could probably have convinced a jury that Kyle’s fears were largely irrational and could have probably stuck manslaughter charges on him.

          After all, if you start marching around with a gun in front of your neighbor’s house then shoot him when he approaches you yelling to get off his sidewalk or whatever, its a bit insane, if not premeditated.