The UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) reported on Saturday that over 50,000 children in the Gaza Strip are in urgent need of treatment for acute malnutrition, Anadolu Agency reports.
In a statement, the agency said that “with continued restrictions to humanitarian access, people in Gaza continue to face desperate levels of hunger.”
“Over 50,000 children require treatment for acute malnutrition,” it added.
Netanyahu knows that every time a child dies, Hamas gains sympathizers and people willing to join, and yet Israel keeps saying the eradication of Hamas is the only way to secure their nation. This is a forever war.
Fuck Netanyahu. Fuck Biden.
You forgot Sinwar
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Obviously.
Fuck Netanyahu. Fuck Biden. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Israel for occupying West Bank.
Let me know If I forgot anything else.
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Even stating the well documented FACTs I listed about Hamas and what they have done, gets downvoted. Is that not extremely fucked up?
This is a story about 50k children getting sicker because Israel is intentionally starving them. And yet all you did was talk about Hamas. Nothing about these kids. That is extremely fucked up and that is why you got downvoted.
You see starving kids and you respond with the very propaganda used by the perpetrators to justify it
But do you condemn Hamas? /s
Because it’s the least relevant party and the one we have the least influence on given Israel has been doing a slow genocide for decades and America has enabled it. If Israel hadn’t been doing this for decades Hamas wouldn’t even exist.
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Enlighten me what the “accurate story” is then.
Hamas is just a tool funded by Netanyahu to excuse the ongoing genocide.
Palestinians have every right to resist being genocided by one of the most evil regimes in history. There could have been socialist or more progressive freedom fighters but they were all destroyed by Israel. Israel wanted the resistance to be Islamist because if there’s going to be a resistance to outright genocide they’re easier to paint as the enemy.
Israel has no right to exist. It’s a white supremaicst ethnostate existing on stolen land. “Israelis” need to abolish the state and go back to their own countries.
They’ve been able to get away with settler-colonialism, apartheid, torture, and genocide for 75 years by playing the “antisemitism” card but that has to come to an end now.
“Israelis” need to abolish the state and go back to their own countries.
What an absolutely delusional comment. I do not support the way Israel is conducting this war (which is a genocide). But the solution is not the genocide - even the self-committed genocide - of Israel.
The region is multi-ethnic, multi-religious, and multi-cultural. This is a fact that needs to be accepted by both sides.
The morally correct path forward is a secular multiethnic state, or states, that integrates the residents of the area and provides everyone with full and equal rights of citizenship, including fundamental human rights, regardless of their national origin, ethnic heritage, or religion.
As long as people like you keep calling for ethnic cleansing and/or the genocidal abolishment of an entire nation of people based on their nationality - be it Palestinian or Israeli- the outcome will be two tribes locked into an eternal struggle for existence, doing their best to brutally eliminate their enemy while creating future generations of enemies.
I find these kinds of oversimplifications childish and stifle any effort towards finding solutions. There’s a difference between what ought to happen and what is realistic and achievable. I know we’re on Lemmy and we all agree on the genocide, apartheid, colonialism, etc, but we ought to channel the conversation towards more productive outlets. Maybe you guys just learned about Palestine after October 7, but thie conflict has been going on for 75+ years.
Saying things like “Israelis need to abolish the state and go back to their own countries” is a vacuous and meaningless statement that feels good but contributes nothing. Children born last year in the state of Israel are not directly responsible for the establishment of the state of which they are citizens just like US citizens are not going to return to the original countries of their grandparents and return the lands they settled to Native Americans. It sucks, it happened, but we aren’t reversing the clock of time.
Israel is able to always gain the upper hand after each attack. Every time there is an attack or intifada Israel benefits because it:
a) responds with disproportionate aggression (see 30000+ deaths
b) expands settlements
To say that Israel supports Hamas is also kinda besides the point when the Palestinian population endorses Hamas overwhelmingly.
Instead, in my opinion, we should be pushing for an immediate ceasefire and steer the conversation towards a two state solution and the demolition of illegal settlements incurred in certain areas. The only way we can move forward is by getting realistic concessions from Israel. But that will never happen by using this feel good rhetoric such as eradicating all Israelis from the area. We gotta bring the Israelis to the table and stop the violence asap.
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“I’m supporting the indiscriminate genocide of an entire group of people whose land I’ve stolen, but it’s everyone else who’s a Nazi!”
Good job at reasoning buddy. 👍🏻
Are Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, and Gabor Mate all nazis too?
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Oh wait, people are getting paid for telling the truth? Where can I apply?
Oh look… the hasbara has shown up.
innocent people,
You mean IDF reservists and veterans?
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Aid trucks remain stranded at the Southern entry points, with Raremoved closed over Israel crossing Biden’s supposed red line. Israeli citizens - not IOF - routinely block the trucks and destroy their contents while the IOF watches. Israel maintains its blockade of Gaza that it has imposed since 2007 that prevents aid from entering any other way and used pressure campaigns on Turkey and Guinnea-Bissau to hamstring the Gaza Freedom Flotilla.
It’s important to remember that the oppression of Gaza and Palestinians is a central project of Zionism that spans multiple leaders and requires the active consent of several coordinating parties, with the US imperial apparatus at the top and the Israeli Zionist project just below. If Netanyahu died today virtually all of Zionists’ policies would remain in place. Netanyahu was not in power when most of them were instituted.
Opinion polls now show increased support for Netanyahu since October and if you dig just a little deeper you’ll find that the primary complaint of Israelis is that he’s not even more militaristic, more brutal, and “protecting” Israelis in this fashion. In other words, the illusion of immunity was broken and they are lashing out. Imagine who would have power if Netanyahu died.
Biden provides unconditional support to this genocidal project and this is more or less in line with decades of US policy, although he is even to the right of Reagan in that he won’t pick up a phone and actually draw a line. A return to the status quo, which was still horrible for Palestinians, is a bridge too far for the Biden administration. And as you can see, that administration enjoys wide cover from tired and bad faith talking points from a media apparatus that equates the humanization of Palestinians with antisemitism.
If you oppose genocide and consider Palestinians human, then our shared enemies include but also go beyond the current leaders of the United States and Israel. The deeper underlying forces are political economic. They’re why when students demand divestment the University administrations would rather sic cops on them than lose a little cash. They’re why military contractors nearly always get their way. They’re why people like Biden and Netanyahu receive support in the first place, including the tired and politically incompetent lesser evil vote nagging. Political power is not to be a sheep following the orders of wolves, but to become educated and work together.
Meanwhile, Hamas leaders sit in Qatar, congratulating themselves on what a successful jihad they’ve waged against Israel. The blood of many innocent Palestinian women and children has been shed, which is what they said they needed to draw global attention to the conflict and increase recruiting of future Hamas fighters, funders, and apologists.
Hamas are the ruling party of Gaza, a region occupied by Israelis and not permitted elections for over a decade. By international law, they have every right to resist occupation by all necessary means. I have plenty of criticisms of Hamas, but they are not the primary oppressor in Gaza. That is, obviously, reserved for the occupiers that prevent Palestinians from having food and clean water. From having the right of return. For being permanent refugees.
If Palestine falls, the people who supported their disposession will hold land acknowledgements for them. They refuse to oppose actual genocidal and apartheid regimes. They will only feel guilty after the systems they support have finished the deed. This is the outcome produced by comlicity in oppression and disposession.
You will feel better if you reject these horrors.
Hamas were elected to power by winning a plurality of the votes, whereupon they formed a coalition government. Then they killed their coalition to make a single-party government. The lack of elections in Gaza since then is because Hamas and Fatah can’t agree on the terms and conditions of the next election, which had been scheduled and postponed multiple times prior to this war. In my opinion, the main problem is that Hamas was afraid of losing seats to Fatah, because they were getting very unpopular before the war.
The fact is that elections are not actually blocked by Israel. Good to see that you spout bullshit in your first sentence without checking facts first, though. That tells me how seriously I should take the rest of your comment.
International law does not give any government the right to resist occupation by any or “all necessary means.” That’s another little lie you slipped in. The territory of Palestine is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which means that the laws of war apply. But Hamas does not follow the laws of war… They target civilians instead of military installations, they engage in perfidy through the use of civilian clothes, which puts the actual civilian population of Gaza in great danger.
You’d feel better if you told the truth. There are strong truthful arguments against both Israel and Hamas. Because both are directly responsible for the genocide of Palestinians. I suggest you focus on the parties which are directly responsible, rather than moaning about the “complicity” of random foreigners in an attempt to disparage everyone who doesn’t buy into your terrorist whitewashing and disinformation campaign.
I’m not going to feel guilty for ensuring that Hamas gets their fair share of the blame.
Hamas were elected to power by winning a plurality of the votes, whereupon they formed a coalition government. Then they killed their coalition to make a single-party government.
An absurd falsehood. Fatah refused to form a government with Hamas, but the idea that Hamas simply killed them I’d an absurd invention. A child’s fantasy.
The lack of elections in Gaza since then is because Hamas and Fatah can’t agree on the terms and conditions of the next election, which had been scheduled and postponed multiple times prior to this war.
As an occupied people this onus actually falls on the occupier, believe it or not.
In my opinion, the main problem is that Hamas was afraid of losing seats to Fatah, because they were getting very unpopular before the war.
Congratulations on having a wrong opinion.
The fact is that elections are not actually blocked by Israel. Good to see that you spout bullshit in your first sentence without checking facts first, though. That tells me how seriously I should take the rest of your comment.
Israel is an occupying power and culpable for all that occurs under their occupation. They are an illegitimate and racist government that has always dramatically meddled in these elections. Or are you unaware of what happened in East Jerusalem in 2006? Your narrative conventiently ommits any mention of this.
International law does not give any government the right to resist occupation by any or “all necessary means.” That’s another little lie you slipped in. The territory of Palestine is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which means that the laws of war apply.
‘UNGA Resolution 37/43 (1982) reaffirmed the “inalienable right” of the Palestinian people “and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination” to self-determination. It also reaffirmed the legitimacy of “the struggle of peoples for […] liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle.”’
It is not difficult to find and establish the right for the Palestinian people to fofhyan armed struggle against all occupiers. This has been affirmed and reaffirmed many times. I mention this under the presumption that you or others care about “the rules” this being foundational to pretenses of legitimacy.
Palestine was not a signatory to the Geneva convention, this is a ahistorical nonsense. The PLO unilaterally declared it in 2014, that’s a decade ago. When the Geneva Convention was drafted, Palestine was “legally” under British control and was not in a position to have such sovereignty.
I am amused by your little attempts at jabs, though. They are revealing.
But Hamas does not follow the laws of war… They target civilians instead of military installations, they engage in perfidy through the use of civilian clothes, which puts the actual civilian population of Gaza in great danger.
No more than any other group.
You’d feel better if you told the truth. There are strong truthful arguments against both Israel and Hamas. Because both are directly responsible for the genocide of Palestinians.
Hamas is not responsible for the genocide of Palestinians. That falls on the greater occupying powers that forced displacement, disposession , and mass murder upon them, which is of course Western powers and their Zonist compatriots. You are carrying water for them by promulgating these falsehoods.
I suggest you focus on the parties which are directly responsible, rather than moaning about the “complicity” of random foreigners in an attempt to disparage everyone who doesn’t buy into your terrorist whitewashing and disinformation campaign.
I am focused on the parties directly responsible. Only you are under the delusion that a militarized resistance to occupation is somehow responsible for the apartheid regime imposed by another power, the indiscriminate civilian bombing campaigns carried out by that power, the full blockade of Gaza by that power, the storming of refugee camps by that power. It is a twisted and dishonest rationalization that blames the resistance to oppressio for the oppression itself, absolving the holders of the guns, the missiles, the planes, the invading forces, the village burners.
I’m not going to feel guilty for ensuring that Hamas gets their fair share of the blame.
I hadn’t asked you to feel guilty. But it seems you have an inkling that you support genocide and need a way to absolve yourself. You won’t find that absolution from myself. Perhaps you will find it in a truck marked for aid for Palestinian refugees that is actually full of IOF soldiers ready to help kill 200 refugees in exchange for 4 Israelis. Perhaps you will find absolution in the propaganda campaigns to demonize some of those 4 Israelis who say their experience during capture amounted to having to clean and cook and receive birthday cakes. How dare they humanize Palestinians. Somewhere in that mess of thought, you might find the train of thought that resolves the inconsistencies you are clearly concerned about, though making the wrong choice at every turn.
Personally, I have not focused on your absolution. That is something you have raised. I hope that you find it honestly and with a prioritization of humanity and truth, which stands in contrast to the lazy read or propaganda you have offered.
I’m not going to waste a lot of time on this, other than to tell you that Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh (then leader of Hamas) formed a Palestinian Unity Government with Fatah on March 17, 2007. It lasted until Hamas took control of Gaza via violence beginning on June 14, 2007, whereupon PA President Abbas fired the Hamas PM and the Hamas-led government, and appointed Salam Fayyad as the new PM. This was not recognized in Gaza, where Hamas continued to rule through violence after killing or ejecting all the Fatah government officials from Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/15/israel4
I could go point by point debunking a number of your claims and exaggerations, but there’s clearly no point in wasting any more time conversing with you.
killing or ejecting
So you have more accurately revised your claim. I’m glad that I could help you reach a better understanding.
I could go point by point debunking a number of your claims and exaggerations, but there’s clearly no point in wasting any more time conversing with you.
Okay bye then.
You can’t properly comment from your instance.
What do you mean?
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Is it like a bot that edits comments containing censored content to make them look like odd message?
It’s .ml, it has a word filter.
I’m still confused, unfortunately, and thank you for bearing with me! I’m used to the word filter just saying “removed” for a single word but this looks different. Any chance you can help me understand what’s different about their comment?
I still don’t understand but maybe I’m missing something related to what the other commentor said about autocensor. The previous comment does not make any sense.
Insanity. Even if these numbers are exaggerated 2x that’s still 25k kids in danger.
That boggles the mind
Gaza is quite literally mostly chldren. Average age was already ~18 before this latest stage of the genocide started. The adults have mostly been killed, imprisoned or driven out.
It’s disgusting what Israel is doing and disgraceful that they are claiming racism if you happen to not approve of what they are doing. There, I said it.
Ironically, claiming that the people who call you out for committing war crimes are antisemites is EXTREMELY antisemitic.
The funny bit is the Zionists still pulling out the “Hamas” card in the face of this shit:
- Dude, next to this level of crap Hamas are veritable pussy-cats, friggin Mother Theresa’s, bloody My Little Ponies of the Middle East.
The only people in the contemporary era in the whole damn World that did anything worse than the purposefully starving of tens of thousand of children that the Zionists are doing were the friggin Nazis. NOBODY other than Nazis and Zionists comes anywhere close to this level of Evil.
Hell, even before this crap came to the attention of the rest of the World, the children-murder ratio between Zionists and Hamas was already over 1000-to-1.
While I agree with your overall sentiment that Israeli actions outweigh HAMAS actions, this betrays a massive underestimation of global atrocities in the modern era. There have been a lot, most of which are not covered in a typical history class. Several go well into the millions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(1946_to_1999)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(21st_century)
I was thinking just in terms of murdering children including the specific targetting of children (which the IDF has done both with snippers and by bombing playgrounds).
In absolute terms of civilians, there were a number of worst atrocities, though in terms of percentage of the target population, not so much (possibly none at all but the Nazis, depending on what the the proportion between counted deaths and real deaths amongst the Palestinians is, since those whose corpses were not found and brought to Hospitals - i.e. those still buried in the rubble of the over 70% of Gaza building that were destroyed - were not counted, something which got worse after Israel destroyed almost all Palestinian Hospitals: the 40k deads are likely a significative underestimation and we might never know how significative that is because Israel does not allow independent UN observers to go check it).
What’s really “special” in the genociding done by the Zionists is the number of children being killed, the percentage of the target population killed, the targetting of Hospitals and medical personnel, the targetting of Humanitarian Personnel (worst ever, according to the UN) and the targetting of Journalists.
But, yeah, in absolute numbers of adults killed, things like Darfur and the Rwanda Genocide were worse.
I don’t really see the point of singling out children. Murder is murder. Is killing a mother better than killing a child?
The killing of children is widelly deemed the most immoral kind of murder, because there is no way it can be spinned as the killing of people guilty of anything or a self-defense: children are almost by definition innocent and incapable of defending themselves or overpower an adult, especially young ones - it takes a special kind of individual (namelly, sociopath or psychopath) to not only willingly take human life, but even that of those who are guaranteed innocent and totally incapable of defending themselves, much less attacking.
This actually is reflected in the numbers of murder victims, were children are killed in a far, far lower proportion of their numbers than adults, and ditto for war casualties: adults on both sides usually will go a lot further in protecting children, even not their own, than they will for adults.
It is surprising that in your moral framework you do not see the murder of children as an especially cold and calous kind of murder.
I dunno, to me that’s a little arbitrary. Killing someone outside of self defense is just murder. So in your view is a school shooter worse than a mall shooter? Would you say murdering a handicapped stranger in a wheelchair who cannot defend themselves is worse than killing a healthy young adult stranger?
To me it’s all just killing innocent people, their age or health is irrelevant. The law makes no difference as far as I’m aware, it’s all murder. I don’t see any point in differentiating murders based on the traits of the victims.
The vast majority of people in this World see the killing of other human beings as something that covers a moral range, with something like self-defense when in direct danger for one’s life being at the more acceptable end of the scale and the killing of the young children at the more unacceptable end of the scale.
This moral scale within murder also applies to the murderers themselves, which is why - as I pointed out earlier - in murder statistics and deaths in wars, children form a far smaller proportion of the deaths in comparison to the total of children, than people of other ages for in proportion to the total of people of those ages.
So even if you yourself haven’t a heightened sense of revulsion for some murderes versus others (which, by the way, is not normal), even people who kill other people generally find the killing of children harder or even unnacceptable.
In practice child murder is pretty well correlated with the highest levels of sociopathy and psychopathy, so a military which practices high levels of child murder has higher levels of psychopaths and sociopaths in their midst and leadership, and they have freer reign to act in psychopathic and sociopathic ways with no punishment - there are always some psychopaths and sociopaths in the military, but there being so many that child-murder is a generalized practice including specific targetting children - for example snipping children or bombing playgrounds - is incredibly rare.
We saw this with the SS and the Nazis, and we see this with the IDF and the Zionists.
This seems a bit made up. Again, the law makes no difference.
Regarding this moral scale, I disagree. I think the vast majority of the world sees it as binary. Murder bad. Self defense okay. Either/or, no sliding scale present. Do you have any sort of evidence?
which is why - as I pointed out earlier - in murder statistics and deaths in wars, children form a far smaller proportion of the deaths in comparison to the total of children, than people of other ages for in proportion to the total of people of those ages.
This is not sound. There are many reasons children could die in wars less, with evacuation from conflict zones being a big one. Similarly with crime, where things like gang violence will never target them due to them not being gang members.
In practice child murder is pretty well correlated with the highest levels of sociopathy and psychopathy, so a military which practices high levels of child murder has higher levels of psychopaths and sociopaths in their midst
This is not sound. You point out leadership in the very next line, and leadership absolutely makes a big difference. One correlation is not enough to draw such a conclusion when there are other factors.
I’m academically inclined, personally, so I pay great attention to details and do not think with my feelings. So these details are important to me.
bloody My Little Ponies of the Middle East.
Criticising Israel is what got me kicked off Reddit
That’s just heart breaking. Israel needs a heart.
Every child the Israel government kills in Palestine they make a hundred enemies across the world. If there is justice in this world Netanyahu will be hanged for war crimes.
The war of religious shitheads.
The tragic irony of so many chickens coming home to roost but still being unable to feed the “martyrs of the future”.
