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      Because he’s a self-proclaimed Zionist and the end goal of Zionism has always been genocide. Now, why is he a Zionist? shrugs

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          The fact is, however, that they impinge— as they always have— on the Arab residents of the territories, and then they have a distinct cutting edge to them. Both in theory and in practice their effectiveness lies in how they Judaize territory coterminously with de-Arabizing it.     There is privileged evidence of this fact, I think, in what Joseph Weitz had to say. From 1932 on, Weitz was the director of the Jewish National Land Fund; in 1965 his diaries and papers, My Diary, and Letters to the Children, were published in Israel. On December 19, 1940, he wrote:

          _“. . . after the Second World War the question of the land of Israel and the question of the Jews would be raised beyond the framework of “ development”; amongst ourselves. !t must be clear that there is no room for hoth peoples in this country. No ‘development’ will bring us closer to our aim. To be an independent people in this small country. If the Arabs leave the country, it will be broad and wide-open for us. And if the Arabs stay, the country will remain narrow and miserable.

          When the War is over and the English have won, and when the judges sit on the throne of Law, our people must bring theirpetitions and their claim before them; and the only solution is Eretz Israel, or at least Western Eretz Israel, without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point! The Zionist enterprise so far, in terms of preparing the ground and paving the way for the creation of the Hebrew State in the land of Israel, has been fine and good in its own time, and could do with ‘‘land-buying ’— but this will not bring about the State of Israel; that must come all at once, in the manner of a Salvation (this is the secret of the Messianic idea); and there is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, to transfer them all: except maybe for Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem, we must not leave a singlevillage, not a single tribe. And the transfer must be directed to Iraq, to Syria, and even to Transjordan. For that purpose we’ll find money, and a lot of money. And only with such a transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers, and the Jewish question shall be solved, once and for all. There is no other way out."_
          

          These are not only prophetic remarks about what was going to happen; they are also policy statements, in which Weitz spoke with the voice of the Zionist consensus. There were literally hundreds of such statements made by Zionists, beginning with Herzl. and when ‘salvation’ came it was with those ideas in mind that the conquest of Palestine, and the eviction of its Arabs, was carried out.

          ~The Question of Palestine, Edward Said

          There’s literally dozens of other quotes like this one from people instrumental in the founding of Israel in this chapter, and they are similarly genocidal. It was honestly pretty transparent what they were going for.

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            The existence of Zionists who wish to erase Palestine (of which there are many) does not change the situation.

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      Because the calculation has been made, he will lose more votes from people who support Israel than people who support Palestine because the first ones don’t mind the alternative which will support Israel even more and the second ones will be in deep shit if Trump gets elected so they have no choice.

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        That’s what they’re thinking at any rate. Unfortunately in Pennsylvania it doesn’t seem to have been a campaign issue at all for the Pro Palestinian congresswoman and the Arab American demographics in the rust are what got Biden over the line there last time. There’s a serious question as to whether the rust belt is now in play again because of this.

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      Because certain closely knit ethnicity has significant power and wealth in US economy, so neither Republicans or Democrats want to fuck with that setup?

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      To give the appearance of caring while not actually trying to improve the situation

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        Well, true. Pretty much everything he’s done pro Palestine has been 99% performative. But my point was that it’s bizarre to claim that Israel is not starving Palestinians while also building a pier because aid (including food) isn’t getting rhrough

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      Maybe he will change the function of the pier to “more efficient delivery of military aid to the israeli stormtroopers in Gaza.” Those tank shells blowing up tents aren’t gonna refill themselves.

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    Id trust the people on the streets there before any out of touch government second guesser

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      Yeah, but in typical c-suite fashion they (e.g., Biden in this case) listen but don’t hear or care what the people who are actually in the shit of it all think/say because agendas.

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    Says the guy who literally built a fucking pier to delivery food because Israel won’t let trucks go through on the road.

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    To all those people who keep saying that in order to not have Trump back in 2025, everyone must suck it up and vote Biden, this is why that just can’t happen.

    Sure Trump is bad in many ways but Biden’s insistence on helping Netenyahu no matter what will lose him the election.

    I’m not making a case for Trump, btw. Both things can be bad at the same time. For people who are seeing Gazans die for no reason, Biden cannot come back into office again. Does that mean we want Trump? Of course not, and that’s why voting for anyone else makes sense.

    If voting for anyone else means you’re voting for Trump, so be it!

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      People who get anxious at criticism of Biden should dedicate their energy to pressure the US government to grow some brain cells and stop behaving like lunatics, not at berating everyone who expresses angst at their complicity with genocide.

      Democratic governments aren’t some force of nature that will do as they please no matter the consequences. You, as their constituents, can signal to them that their actions may make them lose the next election. If you want young people to vote for Biden, what’s more likely to do the trick, to endlessly argue with the few of them you’ll find on Lemmy, or to have Biden stop ruining his own image for no gain?

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        Voting for a third party, especially if you are in a key swing state, is a bad idea. If you are a registered democrat you’ll have to vote democrat to keep Biden.

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          That’s just not true. You do not have to vote with your party, you do not have to vote for every position on the ballot, and you do not have to vote at all if you do not want to.

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            Do you think people love their candidates? They are voting for lesser of the 2 evils. If you vote 3rd party if you just wasting your vote, so you could at least try to stop the other from winning. It’s basically what people are doing.

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          Voting third party in a swing state is an amazing idea. It shows that they will lose voters if they ignore their voterbase.

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            Of course. And that’s how we got Trump elected because people didn’t like Hilary, especially in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

            People already showed that they don’t want Biden during the primaries. Biden could lose Michigan without Arab-American support, which is evident based on the primary results, but he is still actively trying to lose the election.

            So, should we vote 3rd party and make Biden lose votes to teach him a lesson or just vote for Biden to keep Trump out? Neither of the 2 options are ideal but that’s what we have right now.

            Same applies for a Trump supporter. You don’t want to vote for a Felon and you rather let Biden win?

            Our election system is outdated and does not represent the needs or wants of the people. We need to have more than 2 viable candidates as options but 70 year olds won’t change anything so that they be President when they turn 80. Hopefully someday they make some changes to the election system.

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            It’s good to see you finally being openly honest with your wish to fuck up America.

            Heads up: your little group of accelerationists don’t represent the Democratic voter base, by the way. You have already been counted out demographically as they know that every four years there will be people that will buy into conservative propaganda and not vote.

            Just like what’s happening here.

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                “While originally used by the far left, the term has, in a manner strongly distinguished from original accelerationist theorists, been used by right-wing extremists.”

                Unless your boy is a conservative posing as a left wing propagandist, I’m not accusing anyone of being a “terrorist.“

                What you’re all doing though, is your very best to ensure this country collapses under Trump. And you’re all insisting everyone not vote for the one person with the chance to keep him from overthrowing America over a single issue you didnt even give a shit about less than a year ago…

                That means….

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                  A. That’s your opinion. Nobody here has said they want the country to collapse. Accusing them of accelerationism is unfounded at best.

                  B. Left wing violent accelerationism very much exists in extreme anarchist movements. Not sure why wiki ignored that. But the number of non violent accelerationists is incredibly small. As an ideology it quickly moves people along into violence as the only way to truly move faster.

                  C. It would be entirely inside their ideology for a conservative accelerationist to depress the vote by any means. They want the democracy gone.

                  So, again. You do not get to accuse people of being terrorists or political extremists just because they won’t vote for your fearless leader. It’s ridiculous, self serving, and bad faith in a democracy.

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              Voting for Biden now is taking the brakes off a car heading towards a cliff.

              The Democrats will never ever change course from becoming an extreme right wing party. Actually it’s too late.

              Democrats are on board with Genocide and their immigration policy is at Trump levels. There is nothing to gain anymore with Biden winning.

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                And voting for Trump is what exactly? Because that is what you are accomplishing with your propaganda here. You’re getting Trump elected.

                And everyone knows when that happens, you will disappear from here and resurface as a victim like the rest of the far left.

                Every four years…

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        Yeah if people are angry at Biden for this shit, they’ll for sure be angry with trump because he wants them all killed too along with a litany of other shit that is clearly bad for America and the rest of the world. Voting for trump because you’re mad at Biden’s actions is like chopping your whole arm off because a finger got infected.